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as national security advisor for condi rice, and his secretary of state for colin powell.d he says he is given a lot of credit for that. and that you shows he's working on races of merit rather than a racial template to put over everything. >> host: how you think the secretaries rice and powell influence president bush on domestic issues? their portfolio was the foreign policy of course but domestic issues were never seem quite as his -- >> guest: that's true. iadb secretary powell for the book and he said that he did discuss some domestic issues, he served ronald reagan, george bush the father and george bush the son. he mentioned how in the case of the l.a. riots after the famous incident with rodney king, he did try to explain to present bush the father that why so many people were upset in the african-american committee about a traffic stop and about this sort of thing, trying to explain as racial profiling, but he felt that there was something president bush didn't understand him but he said he tried to keep out of domestic issues. if we fast forward to condoleezza ri

as national security advisers for condoleezza rice and the secretary state and of course colin powell in the first term and he says he's been given a lot of credit for that and that just shows that he was working on the merit rather than a racial template to put over things. >> host: how do you think that secretary rice and powell influenced president bush on domestic issues? the report -- portfolio, the foreign policy portfolio or that domestic issues never seemed -- >> guest: that's true. i interviewed secretary powell for the book, and he said that he did discuss some domestic issues -- ronald reagan john, george bush the sun, she mentioned how in the case of the l.a. riots at after the famous incident with rodney king he did try to explain to president bush the father why so many people were upset in the african-american community by the traffic stop and the sort of thing to exploit in that situation profiling, but he felt it was something president bush didn't understand what he tried to keep out of the domestic issues. now, if we fast forward to condoleezza rice, she also tried

the other thing i would add to the former president is that president bush and colin powell and condi rice and the vice president, all of us discussed that they would not be a conflict. and that saddam hussein could be persuaded to leave the country and not require an invasion of the country. and there were messages passed and requests made. and they were rebuffed. i think that saddam hussein very likely was purposefully trying to make the world believed he had large stockpiles. i think that he felt that he had friends in the united nations who might be able to stop the united kingdom, the united states and the grace of the countries that were supporting the coalition and prevent them from going in. and i also think that because president george w. bush's father had gone into iraq after iraq invaded kuwait and cause them to be removed from kuwait but did not change the regime, good evidence that saddam hussein believed that america would not change the regime, that he would survive even though the united states might come in. so, there were a combination of things taking place that ar

>> they wanted to put up colin powell. he said no and that was ten years before barack obama.the good news -- >> the way to nominate one. not have one run. >> they will nominate one, won't be because they're black, it's because they're the best candidate and have the right values that the republican platform's -- >> michael steele, purely because he had the best possibility to be a leader or because he were black. >> if president obama was not in the white house michael steele would not be chairman. >> he's a good true -- >> michael steele was more than just being a black man running the rnc. michael steele had at that time he had the media presence at the rnc chairs didn't, he was able to touch the young voters and young people in the republican party. >> he started the hip-hop republican movement. >> but he mentioned it. he had no problem dealing with the tea party. >> the republican party should appeal to the hip-hop generation. >> he's been able to talk to folks in a diverse way the republican party had not been able to do previously. with that said he's been successful in

off by the likes of timothy geithner well you know member of living up to the iraq war invasion colin powell before the u.n. with a vial full of talk and powder and said this is going to kill everybody knows all prearranged stagecraft to get how important a bunch of contracts to murder people senselessly in iraq so now the system geitner decided to murder people senselessly with inflation and they prearrange all these s. and p. ratings and they cooked the books and the proof is in the dollar which is collapsing and they're going off line baby if you have anything in us dollars prepare to lose it all it's all going to. i'm so sorry anyway stacey never thanks so much for being on the cards to report that i come back i'll be speaking with met so don't go away . this song. for decades. trying to five years ago the entire fifty thousand population over ukrainian town of pre-fight was a market weighted with this three hours. plus now it wants to be heard recently some people started receiving post notices telling them to pick up letters at this post office embryon to. the stories of the world's kn

off by the likes of timothy geithner well you know member of leading up to the iraq war invasion colin powell before the u.n. with a vial full of talcum powder and said this is going to kill everybody and i was all prearranged stagecraft to get halliburton a bunch of contracts to murder people senselessly in iraq so now it's just a guy who are deciding to murder people's sense of sleep with inflation and they prearrange all these s. and p. ratings and they cook the books and the proof is on the dollar which is collapsing and they're going all slow and maybe if you had anything in us dollars prepare to lose it all it's all going to opus i'm so sorry anyway stacey never thanks so much for playing the cards the report take humans and i come back i'll be speaking with matt taibbi so don't go away. well i go back to the guys are in for a time now to go to new york and talk with the rolling stone journalist matt taibbi matt welcome back to the kaiser report are you doing next all right matt i want to talk to you about your piece the real housewives of wall street but first tell us what is healthy i

the likes of timothy geithner well you know member of the leading up to the iraq war invasion colin powell went before the u.n. with a vial full of top and powder and said this is going to kill everybody and i was all prearranged stagecraft to get how important a bunch of contracts to murder people such as lee in iraq so now system guys are deciding to murder people senselessly with inflation and they prearrange all these s. and p. ratings and they cooked the books and the proof is in the dollar which is collapsing and they're going offline baby if you have anything in us dollars prepare to lose it all it's all going to. i'm so sorry any way station number thanks so much for playing the cards to report when i come back i'll be speaking with met so don't go away. more news today is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. trying to corporations are relieved a. mum. welcome back to the kaiserin for our time now to go to new york and talk with rolling stone journalist matt i mean matt welcome back to the kaiser report are you doing next

out there going to listen or discuss this with me as lawrence wilkerson former chief of staff to colin powell lawrence thanks so much for being here tonight about first of all this very interesting report first of all is playing with the pseudonym why turns out was written by two senior staff members i'm assuming it must have been approved by well in at some point what do you know about. i would say it's probably going to prove at least rigid and the head shake from both secretary gates and chairman mullen i know but he well don't know the sailor quite as well have met the marine and worked with marine on a bigger project that they knew about american foundations working on this is pure eisenhower this is pure dwight david eisenhower a five star general hero of world war two who incidentally once in a moment of pique but nonetheless revelation said god help the united states of america if any of the anybody ever sits in this chair the oval office who doesn't understand the military the way i do what i mean was that he saw the potential for us to be diverted by war and conflict and building a

there going to listen to discuss this with me as more and soldiers and former chief of staff of colin powell lawrence thanks so much for being here tonight let me turn to our first of all this very interesting report first of all is pen with the pseudonym why turns out was written by two senior chief of staff members i'm assuming it must have been approved by mullen at some point what do you know about it i would say it's probably been approved at least really. shake from both terminal and i know the marines pretty world record as well have met them or even worked with marines on a bigger project with the new america foundation is the word go. this is pure eisenhower this is pure hate it was no five star general hero of world war two who incidentally once in a moment of pique but nonetheless revelation said god help the united states of america if he ever anybody ever sits in this chair the oval office who doesn't understand the military boy i do what i mean it was that he saw the potential for us to be diverted by war and conflict and it will be a national security state which we've been ha

guantanamo were innocent were sold to the us for bounty in fact last year colonel lawrence wilkerson colin powell former chief of staff said in a sworn affidavit that he would be willing to go to court to testify in the case of one detainees to state that the vast majority of the detainees there were innocent that the bush administration knew it dick cheney knew it and that they were not released for fear of what the political fallout would be so when we start to look at some of these documents that have really been released now i think that some of the more explosive details at least for where i stand is how heavily the government relied upon other detainees to give up information on how their detainees using detainees as and informants the level of exploitation that was detainees were subjected to and that could mean for. various interrogation techniques in the case of the first high value detainees abus it pedo this was the detainees that the bush administration held out as being one of the planners of nine eleven i find with very revealing in this pile is the fact that there is absolutely no

if you go back to president bush and general colin powell who put a coalition together over afghanistan, the proliferation coalition had 90 countries. in iraq, there were 45 countries. i think that president bush was called the unilateralist. they identified that we needed help and we needed people. but we needed people to agree on the mission. the problem we have seen as recently as the confusion over the mission. imagine if you are sitting in libya and you are an ambassador or a government employee or you are in the army, a colonel or private or in the neighborhood and your looking for cooperation and they want intelligence and assistance and food and housing and you do not know, even to this day, whether gaddafi will go. imagine. people are like magnetic particles. the point at whatever will happen. what will happen? is it likely to change? where are they planning? they are all over the lot because they do not know what is going to happen. when they get up in the morning, they do not know if you will still be around. it will alter your behavior. the thing that is going on in africa i

>> colin powell gave me some of those hand warmers, to sit on, and -- it didn't help. >> jimmy: not atw. >> no. >> jimmy: i heard this hat has it's own facebook page. >> it does. >> jimmy: it does? >> and just took on a life of its own. >> jimmy: that's wild, right? did you know was going to get that reaction? >> no, i didn't. but right after the inauguration, i noticed everybody was working the hat. >> jimmy: everybody. >> working the hat. working the hat. >> jimmy: well, actually, it was just announced it's going to be inducted into the smithsonian. >> yes. >> jimmy: i mean, come on. >> it would have been, but -- it will already be in there, but lie to go to the hospital. so we had to reschedule that. >> jimmy: so happy everything is going great for you. i just want to remind everyone this is for the -- may 3rd it comes out. and exclusively first at walmart. >> uh-huh. >> jimmy: so you're doing that -- that's one of those new dial deals, everyone's doing that now. it's the new thing. >> yeah. >> jimmy: and then, after that, a month later, it will be available digitally on itunes and

rumsfeld viewed the duties of a cabinet official differently from the way colin powell did and i'd likeou, mr. secretary, to elaborate on this and how you see the role of a cabinet official in dealing with controversial and difficult issues when he thinks the president may be ill informed or wrong on his judgment. first and last, i'd like to ask secretary rumsfeld to comment on current affairs. drawing on his experiences as secretary of defense. president obama has launched a u.s.-led military action in libya. he preempted what he feared was going to be a major humanitarian disaster and you as secretary helped develop principles and ideas for u.s. military after 9/11. u.s. freedom of action, hole -- role of the u.n., etc. i'd like you to comment on how you think president obama is handling libya. is he respecting or violating the principles that you helped develop for the bush administration? i hope that's sufficiently provocative for starters and now i'd like general pace to give a few of his comments about the matters dealt with in the secretary's book. >> thanks very much. it's a gre

rumsfeld viewed the duties of the cabinet official differently from the way colin powell did and i'd like to ask you, mr. secretary, to elaborate on this and how you see the role of a cabinet official in dealing with difficult and controversial issues when he thinks the president may be ill-informed or wrong in his judgment. fourth and last, i'd like to ask secretary rumsfeld to comment on current affairs. there's too much happening in the world to avoid at least one look at current affairs. drawing on his experience as secretary of defense, president obama has launched a u.s.-led military action in libya. he preempted what he feared was going to be a major humanitarian disaster there. and you, secretary rumsfeld, helped develop various ideas and principles for u.s. military action after 9/11 regarding u.s. leadership, coalition building, definition of the military mission, u.s. freedom of action, role of u.n., etc. i'd like you to comment on how you think president obama is handling libya. is he respecting or violating the principles that you helped develop for the bush administrati

there are, of course, hillary clinton, condoleezza rice, colin powell, madeleine albright, lawrence eagleburgers baker, george schultz, and henry kissinger. these conversations are being recorded at the state department where room by room you can see america's history and the object of history, and, also, a wonderful collection of american paintings and decorative art. the rooms are named for former secretaries of state, the john quincy adams room is home to the desk at which the treaty of paris was signed ending the american revolutionary war. these rooms have witnessed historic meetings between american officials and foreign ministers and heads of state. we take note of the 50th an vaerls of these rooms and the patrons of diplomacy initiatives. we begin our conversations on diplomacy with secretary of state and former secretary of state kissing her. secretary clinton came to this office after serving as first lady of arkansas and the united states. she was appointed by president obama after a spirited contest for nomination for president. henry kissinger was a harvard professor, national secu

did promote and name the highest-ranking african-americans in history and condoleezza rice and colin powellas national security adviser for condoleezza rice and then secretary of state and of course powell secretary of state in the first term and he says he hasn't been given a lot of credit for that and that just shows he is working on the basis of merit rather than a racial template to put over things. >> host: how do you think secretary rice and powell influenced president bush on domestic issues? their portfolio was foreign policy. the domestic issues were never seen quite -- >> guest: that's true. i interviewed secretary powell for the book and he said he did discuss some domestic issues bush the father and the sun. he mentioned how in the case of the l.a. riot after the famous incident with rodney king he tried to explain to president bush, the father, why so many people are upset in the african-american community by the traffic stop and about the sort of thing to to explain it in the racial profiling, and but he felt there was something president bush didn't really understand what he

but we always get back to colin powell's famous line that hope is not a strategy.d while we can all hope that the inner circle does splinter, this is the main problem. it may not. this is why it's pressed on arming the rebels because if it doesn't splinter they have to have a plan "b." >> what is the down side of arming the rebels? i think i know the answer but i want to hear from your expertise. >> there are obvious a couple. the first most obvious we don't know who the rebels are. we've had recent experiences in places like afghanistan where we've gone and armed a group of people and turns out that they weren't very good either. they might be in bed with al qaeda. they might be in bed with iran or all kind of other nefarious people. beyond that, though, it also commits the united states further into this conflict. if we're arming the rebels, if we're actively trying to bring about moammar gadhafi's down fall, it's basically us taking responsibility for overthrowing him and if the rebels don't do it, it becomes a question of what next. and if the rebels do do it,

i don't know that he asked colin powell or, the rice or the vice president. he was the president elected by the american people. we had frequent meetings and discuss various aspects of the situation. they worked very hard with the united nations to put additional pressure on saddam hussein so that he would continue to resist and the president did what a president has to do. he made the decision and i assume that he assumed that everyone in that group would have argued vehemently if they disagreed which no one did. >> how do you think people will look back on iraq? >> hard to know. the road not traveled is always moving. one looks at it and thinks what if and what if. a little known fact is gaddafi, head of libya at that point had a very aggressive military program underway and when the united states went in and changed the regime in iraq gaddafi who had been working hard on a nuclear program, very high on the terrorist list decided that he wouldn't forgo his nuclear program. he contacted western leaders and indicated i have a nuclear program. i am willing to

and name the two highest-ranking african-americans in american history in condoleezza rice and colin powells national security adviser and secretary of state. and, of course, powell's secretary of state in the first term. he isn't given a lot of credit for that, and that just shows that he was working on the basis of merit rather than a racial, you know, template to put over things. >> host: how do you think that secretaries rice and powell influenced president bush on domestic issues? their portfolio was foreign policy, of course, but domestic issues were never seen quite at his point of view. >> guest: no, that's true. i interviewed secretary powell for the book, and he said he did discuss some domestic issues with -- he served ronald reagan, george bush the father and george bush the son. he mentioned how in the case of the l.a. riot after the famous incident with rodney king he did try to explain to president bush, the father, why so many people were upset in the african-american community about a traffic stop and about this sort of thing. he tried to explain it, in essence, racial prof

. >> and that he ran with colin powell it, would be the largest landslide in american history. yes, i have that column on my bulletin board to remind me about the sin of hubris. >> is that why you put it in the book? >> that's not why i put it in the book. i put it in the book because it was a column that had many other things in it. it's useful to know when people have said things that they shouldn't have said because they thought they were taking the long view. only the long view in america only lasts about 60 to 90 days. >> you write a lot about abortion? >> yes. >> what's the liberal position on abortion. i think it is that that's a matter of individual choice and personal liberty. >> do still practice catholicism >> yes, i do. >> how do you get along with your view of abortion in the church now? >> i don't think of myself as having a relationship with the institutional church, that is the hierarchy, but in terms of my own conscience and my ability to feel confident about taking the sacraments and my relationship with god, i don't have any problem with that. >> as a liberal

host: saying is bill gates and colin powell the site to run, we would hope they make the announcement on c-span. "scored bouquet's tax break for private schools -- "court ok's tax breaks for private schools." back to the phones. conn on our line for republicans. roger, go ahead. caller: i have two. disappeared it is so evident -- and i am sure -- first of all, it is so evident, and i am sure no one will reported, the reason he is doing this is he will be in an election campaign and he does not want anything to ruin it. something may happen in new york, trouble. he needs to get the temperature down so it is out of the way and does not become anything that will take away from his campaign. it is so simple but no one realizes that. the other point -- republicans are stupid. they should have told the democrats we will agree to some tax hikes but we want more authority in cutting. if they did that they would have got anything they want. i don't know who talks to these republicans. but they need help to guide them where they are going. host: that is roger in connecticut. we have this from "

i don't know that he asked colin powell or condi rice or the vice president. he was the president. he was elected by the american people. we had frequent meetings and discussed various aspects of the situation. they worked very hard with united nations to try to put additional pressure on saddam hussein so that he wouldn't continue to resist, and the president did what a president has to do. he made the decision and i assume that he assumed that everyone in that group would have argued vehemently if they disagreed which no one did. >> how do you think people in the future will look back on that decision in iraq? >> it is hard to know. the road not traveled is always smoother and one looks at it and thinks what if and what if. i think a little known fact is that gadhafi, the head of libya at that point had a very aggressive nuclear program underway, and when the united states went in and change the regime in iraq, gadhafi who have been working very hard on a nuclear program, very high on the terrorist list, decided that he would forgo his nuclear program and he contacted some wester

i don't know that he asked colin powell or condi rice or the vice president. he was the president. he was elected by the american people. we had frequent meetings and discussed various aspects of the situation. they worked very hard with united nations to try to put additional pressure on saddam hussein so that he wouldn't continue to resist, and the president did what a president has to do. he made the decision and i assume that he assumed that everyone in that group would have argued vehemently if they disagreed which no one did. >> how do you think people in the future will look back on that decision in iraq? >> it is hard to know. the road not traveled is always smoother and one looks at it and thinks what if and what if. i think a little known fact is that gadhafi, the head of libya at that point had a very aggressive nuclear program underway, and when the united states went in and change the regime in iraq, gadhafi who have been working very hard on a nuclear program, very high on the terrorist list, decided that he would forgo his nuclear program and he contacted some wester

namely, you remember perhaps that colin powell and tony blair were very adamant about advising presidenth that if he was to consider military action, he should do so with a clear united nations security council resolution. that, by the way, was an example when bush listened carefully to powell and decided to take the route of going through the united nations, which cheney did not agree with. at the end, most other countries in the world believed that the united nations security council resolution 1441 required one more step before military action was possible. so when the bush administration felt it could not get the vote on the next step and decided to go ahead with the coalition without united nations security council resolution, canada essentially said if the un is not part of the road, then we are not on the road. mind you, meanwhile, we had a lot of -- a fair amount of canadians helping underneath the radar. so there was politically -- it was politically impossible for us to contribute openly, but in fact, militarily we were there to some extent. now, you noticed that the next gover

i personally have seen colin powell get patted down. you have to say wait a minute something is wrong here and about the first-time treler, this is where i agree with carl. i think you have to profile by experience. you have to profile by frequency, by background and all that and tho kinds of things, once you have that data than the first-time traveler probably has to through different security process because they are not the same as all of us who travel 50 times a year and we know an awful lot about us. >>oes anybody else want to discuss that point? >> the report, 85% of the report i am absolutely in agreement. i believe that the only way that we are going to succeed in the public attitude, first of all i would say it is my thinking that it is the governments responsibility to ensure his safety and security of the citizens of this country. we have got to find a way to reduce the size of the haystack and we have got to figure out a way to get information that is sufficient to give tsa and dhs the sense that the people that we are doing

the president said he believed, that every word vice-president cheney -- everything that colonel colin powell said -- he spent a lot of time preparing his words for the united nations. he believed every word that he said. the idea that was the lie is irresponsible. -- that it was a lie is irresponsible. i made a few comments about the press. one of the stories i discuss in the book is a story from my first executive position as the director of office of economic opportunity where an article was written that was just totally inaccurate. so i invited this person and let them see you what was going on and that it was totally inaccurate. he said he was sorry and left and never uttered another word about it to correct it. and the paper did not. it was a wonderful experience for me because i learned early. there was another myth about general some shacky that has been printed and shown on television thousands of times. god bless jamie. he went out and found the facts and wrote a story that said that it is almost chipped in stone that this happened and it did not. it is totally inaccurate -- general

if it was colin powell, i would have voted for him.ver brother got the nomination would have gotten my vote. except alan keyes, whew. even thinks he's crazy. that's crazy. i'm crazy. whoever's first should get a pass. i just think that. now, the second brother to run, he's going to have to show me something. change i can believe in. you better be more specific, brother. what the hell is that? i don't know what you're talking about. and believe me, when we get the first hispanic nominee, i don't care what party, they're not going to have to go courting the latino vote, right? buckle up, white people, because that day is comi, right? oh, yeah. and good luck finding any of those birth certificates, i'm telling you. oh, yeah. oh, no. you're not going to. oh, no. oh, no. right? this is not even in english, i can't read this. oh, i'm going to get in so much trouble, boy. what the heck. but, i know, it's tough for the president, all the things happening in the middle east. who would have guessed all these revolutions, you know? although i won

but in the end it comes down to a fairly simple explanation, namely, you remember perhaps that colin powelland tony blair were very adamant about advising president bush that if he was to consider military action, he should do so with a clear u.n. security council resolution. that by the way was an example when bush listened carefully to powell and rice, and decided to indeed take the route of going to the united nations, which cheney did not agree with. but at the end, most other countries in the world believed that u.n. security council resolution 1441 required one more step before military action was possible. so when the bush administration felt they couldn't get the vote, the next step, and decided to go ahead with it, coalition without the u.n. security council resolution. canada essentially said if the u.n. is not part of the road, then we are not on the road. mind you, meanwhile, we had -- well, a fair amount of canadians helping underneath the radar. so, there was politically -- it was politically impossible for us to contribute openly, but, in fact, militarily we were there to som

colin powell was strongest in terms of pushing back.owed such an open process as he did with the decision on operation enduring freedom, on the surge of 2006, when he benefited from that his decisions were quite good. when he went with too much confidence and everybody was too loyal and kept their heads down and what the president wants and then we see some very poor decisions. the worst one is what we see as phase iv operations in iraq. that is the decision on how to of manage iraq after the invasion which turned out to be a case study in how to mismanage iraq after the invasion which was the costliest decision in my mind that bush made. bush was no doubt polarizing. in our scholarship are think we have to be very careful about the two arguments that are out there in abundance. on the left there are a lot of people who have conspiracy theories and psychological theories and so on about how bush is -- was completely beyond his capacity as president and then on the right you have overloyalty including among christian conservatives. i can

know, it's interesting you raise this because last week at american university general powell, colin powell was the speaker at the kennedy political union, and he talked about in his role as sort about talking about leadership, and he said, you know come in so many leaders as he met around the world he would get that question from them, how in the united states of america, this rich nation, that you don't have health care for everybody? and he would find himself at a loss of responding to that. but, you know, try to explain that to the audience mostly, students that this is one of those very difficult and intractable issues in a country where there is debate, is health care a right or isn't it? and i think that is really, you know, contribute to why it is just very difficult to resolve. >> host: it's also very a personal issue. >> guest: very personal. >> host: you worked for the reagans, both nancy reagan and betty ford, so assassination attempts on their husbands, both surviving. and in 1994, nancy reagan discussing the assassination attempt from march 1981, it would have been for her and

colin powell once said, once you break it, you own it, the so-called pottery barn rule. has the administration's focus in libya distracted it from our efforts in iraq and afghanistan? we committed huge amounts of blood and treasure to success in both of those countries and i think congress needs to know and we need to have a fullsome debate about whether this mission in libya has distracted from those other two vital missions. we also need to talk about whether nato's peformance in libya jeopardies its effectiveness and reputation. is there a risk the alliance is already splitting because of caveats and restrictions some of the coalition members are making on their participation in the intervention in libya? and finally, i think we need to know because certainly everything that happens is precedent for some future action, whether there really is something that you might call an obama doctrine. is it that the u.s. will use military force when requested by our allies like france or perhaps organizations like the arab league's or the united nations but not otherwise? is it

i personally have seen colin powell get patted down. you have to say wait a minute something is wrong here and about the first-time traveler, this is where i agree with carl. i think you have to profile by experience. you have to profile by frequency, by background and all that and those kinds of things, once you have that data than the first-time traveler probably has to go through different security process because they are not the same as all of us who travel 50 times a year and we know an awful lot about us. >> does anybody else want to discuss that point? >> the report, 85% of the report i am absolutely in agreement. i believe that the only way that we are going to succeed in the public attitude, first of all i would say it is my thinking that it is the governments responsibility to ensure his safety and security of the citizens of this country. we have got to find a way to reduce the size of the haystack and we have got to figure out a way to get information that is sufficient to give tsa and dhs the sense that the people that we

i mean, if you go back to the global war on terror, president bush and colin powell put together a coalition of something like 90 countries. in afghanistan, there was 69 countries. in iraq, there were 45 countries. the proliferation security initiative, i think, had 98 countries. and yet president bush was labeled a unilateralist. the difference, it seems to me, was that they set about the task of recognizing that we needed help and we needed people, but we needed people to agree on the mission, and i think the problem we've seen most recently is the confusion over the mission. i mean, imagine if you're sitting in libya and you're an ambassador or you're a government employee or you're in the army, you're a colonel or you're a private or you're in the neighborhood and you're looking for -- the rebels are looking for cooperation. they want intelligence, so they want food or housing, and you don't even know even to this day where gaddafi is going to go. imagine. now, we're there, it seems to me. people are a lot like magnetic particles. they point where things are going to happen. what's going