records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns that -- and i quote -- "powell would blow his stack if he were briefed." source, email from john rizzo dated july 31, 2003. c.i.a. records clearly indicate and definitively that after he was briefed on the detainee abu grab you'da the c.i.a. didn't tell president bush about the full nature of the e.i.t.'s until april of 2006.

at the time, colin powell was the chair of the joint chiefs of staff.going to have a discussion about this anniversary. stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> joe cocker in woodstock in 1969. he died yesterday at the age of 70. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with aaron matÉ. >> this month marks the 25th anniversary of the u.s.-led invasion of panama. early on the morning of december 20, 1989, president george h.w. bush launched operation just cause, sending tens of thousands of troops and hundreds of aircraft into panama to execute an arrest warrant against its leader, manuel noriega, on charges of drug trafficking. general manuel noriega was once a close ally to washington and on the cia payroll. after 1986, noriega's relationship with washington took a turn for the worse. during the attack, the u.s. unleashed a force of 24,000 troops equipped with highly sophisticated weaponry and aircraft against a country with an army smaller than the new york city police department. >> were joined now by three guests.

there are cia records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns t t that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack if he were breached. source e-mail from john rizzo dated july 31, 2003. >> colin powell will blow his stack. it makes you shake your head. you include all these quotes in your piece, josh rogen, view on the headline of your piece, "bush was kept in the dark." my first question to you was, how long was he in the dark? >> what we learned today was president george w. bush didn't receive a full detailed briefing on these harsh interrogation techniques until 2006, more than four years after the program had been ongoing. now, bush knew some of the details and had to approve some of the techniques. but according to the cia, actually, the white house staff intentionally kept him from knowing all of these details and stopped cia directors george tenet from briefing him directly. now we know they weren't fully in the loop. >> but before we get to them defending it because, you know, president bush was on with candy crowley over th

it was not i who said colin powell would blow his stack.ack to my bosses the reaction of senior lawyers at the white house that they thought that he would blow his stack if he were to learn about these proposed techniques. >> could you tell us who at the white house wanted to deny this information to the then secretary of state general colin powell? >> the white house counsellor at the time was alberto gonzalez. >> who later became the attorney general. >> yeah. and he was chairing the meeting that i described in that e-mail. now, if i said he said that, he said that. but i don't know whether this was mr. gonzalez himself or someone higher than him had told him and he was relaying it. i'm not sure after all these years. >> but obviously, if they have the actual e-mail, and you're saying it is accurate, what you wrote, but you were describing the reaction from white house officials and why they would keep all this information secret from the secretary of state. >> yeah. and as a coda to this, the secretary of state was briefed into the progr

it was not i who said colin powell would blow his stack.reporting back to my bosses the reaction of senior lawyers at the white house that they thought that he would blow his stack if he were to learn about these proposed techniques. >> could you tell us who at the white house wanted to deny this information to the then-secretary of state, general colin powell? >> the white house counsel at the time was alberto gonzales. >> later became the attorney general? >> yes. and he was chairman of the meetings that i describe in that e-mail. now, if i said he said that, he said that. but i don't know if this was mr. gonzalez himself. i'm just not sure after all these years. >> i invited alberto gonzalez to join me in "the situation room" later today who was then the white house counsel and later became the attorney general. he'll be my guest at 5:00 p.m. eastern later today. we'll talk about this memo that colin powell was not informed of what was going on even though he was secretary of state because he would supposedly blow his stack. michael hayd

there are cia records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first, because there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack if he were briefed. source, email from john rizzo, dated july 31, 2003. cia records clearly indicate and definitively that after he was briefed on the cia's first detainee, the cia didn't tell president bush about the full nature of the eit's until april 2006. that's what the records indicate. the cia similarly withheld information or provided false information to the cia inspector general during his conduct of a special review by the ig in 2004. incomplete and i inaccurate information from the cia was used in documents provided to the department of justice, and as a case us for president bush's speech on september 6th, 2006, in which he publicly acknowledged the cia program for the first time. in all of these cases, other cia officers acknowledged internally -- they acknowledged internally, that information the cia had provided was wrong. the cia also mislead other cia white house officials. when vice president cheney's cou

that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns, and i quote, that powell would blow his stack. >> reporter: republicans warned the report could inspire more terrorism. >> it could be used to incite unrest and even attacks against our service members, other personnel overseas, and our international partners. >> reporter: so does cia director john brennan, acknowledging some mistakes but insisting the interrogations did help thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. tonight the president spoke to telemundo's jose diaz-balart. >> some of the tactics that were written about in the senate intelligence report were brutal and, as i've said before, constituted torture in my mind, and that's not who we are. >> reporter: one of a stunning revelations tonight, the report says two psychologists, contractors, who designed the interrogation techniques, had no experience with al qaeda, no language skills. they made $80 million before this program was cut off. brian? >> andrea mitchell starting us off in our d.c. newsroom tonight. andrea, thanks. >>>

there cia records that colin powell was not told about the program first. there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack if he were briefed. source e-mail from john rizzo dated july 31, 2003. cia records clearly indicate and definitively that after he was briefed on the cia's first detainee, the cia didn't tell president bush about the full natu nature of the eits until april of 2006. that's what the records indicate. they similarly with held information or provided false information to the cia inspector general during his conduct of a special review by the ig in 2004. incomplete and inaccurate information was used in documents provided to the department of justice and as a basis for president bush's beach in 2006 in which he publicly acknowledged the cia program for the first time. in all of these cases, other cia officers acknowledged internally, they acknowledged that information the cia provided was wrong. the cia also misled other cia white house officials. when vice president cheney's council asked cia council general scott muller i

there are cia records stating that colin powell was not told about the program at first because there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack if he were briefed, an e-mail dated july 31, 2003. cia records clearly indicate and definitively after he was briefed about abu zubaydah, that president bush did not talk about the full nature of the eits until april 2006. that's what the records indicate. the cia similarly withheld information or provided false information to the cia inspector general during his conduct of a special review by the ig in 2004. incomplete and inaccurate information from the cia was used in documents provided to the department of justice and as a basis for president bush's speech on september 6th, 2006, in which he publicly acknowledged the cia's program for the first time. in all of these cases, other cia officers acknowledged internally -- they acknowledged internally that information the cia had provided was wrong. the cia also misled other cia white house officials. when vice president cheney's counsel, david abbington asked scott mueller i

>> does that make colin powell a hippo krit, who felt he had false information? the president of the united states didn't get a brief on this until -- >> bob, you are taking that from the senate democrats report? >> no. the paul thing is before that. >> we're not talking about powell. >> you have several times that the president and vice president were kept in the dark from the cia. that comes from the senate democrats report in which they did not talk to any of the directories ask them did you keep something from president. >> in the president's own book says that. >> no, he didn't say that. he said he believes he had the information he needed. >> so did dick cheney. i don't understand why you are repeating that. >> the fact of the matter is i don't believe him. >> you are all looking back and saying bush, you know, at one point there was a congressional letter that was sent by 58 democratic congress people saying we should look into whether or not george bush was criminal in what he did with interrogations. can you imagine 10 or 15 years down the road a republi

begins with retired colonel lawrence wilkerson, the former chief of staff of secretary of state colin powell >> look at diedrich only in sentences they got, two licenses was 15 years and this is supposed to be because of the brothers to the rescue shootdown and so forth which i have absolutely no way of knowing the truth about because our government, cuban-american community and others have so clouded the fax and so obfuscated all of the available material on it. own behalf, he said it is necessary for some countries to send their sons and daughters to defend themselves. carry out dangerous missions, be they in afghanistan or self order. >> it is not whether they were sent here because acts of terrorism were happening in cuba. you do not send people to spy in other countries because you think that they are committing or you say they are committing that. are trying to be painted as heroes are murderers. >> all the men were given maximum sentences, kept in solitary confinement or more than a year, barred from seeing for -- certain family members tom and what they believed was the most prejudic

workable plan we'd carry out would do the trick. >> he became george bush. >> exactly. >> when colin powell took over for admiral crow as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. >> this gets complicated. let's go back to 1988 it's an exercise for internally. president reagan looking for suggestions from the state department. >> right. >> admiral crow a phd. from stanford. >> right. >> don't use military force to go in and get this dictator. elliott abrams is looking for military force to get him from that country. >> and his harvard law degree. >> and you have this battle of intellect. >> difference in age? >> crow had led commands. he was much more of a down-to-earth speaker. he would hide his intellect behind this awe shucks exterior that was effective in the agency battle. the interagency meetings wubt crow himself. it was vice admiral jonathan crow. again, a very effective insider because he had been in the political bureau of the state department. >> you describe him as calculating and arrogant. >> is there a meet ing? >> i have met him. >> and what you saw when you met him? >> yes. he'

records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns that -- and i quote -- "powell would blow his stack if he were briefed." source, email from john rizzo dated july 31, 2003. c.i.a. records clearly indicate and definitively that after he was briefed on the detainee abu grab you'da the c.i.a. didn't tell president bush about the full nature of the e.i.t.'s until april of 2006. that's what the records indicate. the c.i.a. similar withheld information or provided false information to the c.i.a. inspector general during his conduct of a special review by the i.g. in 2004. incomplete and inaccurate information from the c.i.a. was useed in documents provided to the department of justice and as a basis for president bush's speech on september 6, 2006, in which he publicly acknowledged the c.i.a. program for the first time. in all of these cases, other c.i.a. officers acknowledged internally -- they acknowledged internally that information the c.i.a. had provided was wrong. the c.i.a. also misled other c.i.a. white house officials. when vice p

there are cia records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns t t that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack if he were breached. source e-mail from john rizzo dated july 31st, 2003. >> let's begin this hour in washington with our chief washington correspondent, host of "the lead" jake tapper. i don't know where to begin. if you want to begin with the wallings, near drownings, the techniques, or do we begin with the fact that the cia according to this report totally misled congress and the president of the united states? you choose. >> well, there's a lot to chew on this report. basically, there are 20 conclusions from senator feinstein, the democrats on the intelligence committee, and republican susan collins. they basically say torture happened and go into detail about it. they say it was not effective, they make the case that it did not lead to actionable intelligence. very disputed case, but they do make that case. they say that not only the public was misled, and not only congress, but the bush administration itself was mis

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dick cheney against john mccain and colin powell let's call it off. >> they have a quibble or disputever whether any valuable intelligence was gained through these enhanced interrogation techniques but his 30 thing else that the cia is disputing? >> that is the main dispute is they claim these techniques yielded no -- valuable intelligence but after reading the report and going through the footnotes a lot of their own officials in the field dispute that. and the report does a thorough job of tearing apart that assertion. >> one of the key issues it seems to me here is the claims and senator feinstein was very aggressive in making some claims particularly about general hayden. the web of the notion that there was a lot of deception. that were -- there were allies systematically and taken to the white house and congress on the american people. how much information within the report is also new and puts the cia on the defensive in terms of justifying what it did in that area? rex you are right to signal out general hayden. you get toward the end of the 500 pages that was released with a

. >> there are record stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack. >> republicans warned the report could inspire more terrorism. >> trkd it could be used to incite unrest and even attacks against our service members e personnel overseas and our international partners. >> insisting the interrogations did help thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. >> some of the tactics that were written about in the senate intelligence report were brutal. and as i've said before, constituted torture in my mind. that's not who we are. >> michael hayden ran the cia from 2006 to 2009. the program was in place before his take over and he defends it. >> as bad as some people think cia behavior was with regard to these 100 or so detainees, if swn everyone on the planet used cia behavior as the model, the over all treatment of detainees would improve. >> hayden added that information from detainees was used to go after osama bin laden. >>> now to the war on isis, it's also consuming capitol hill

because he would, quote, blow his stack. >> the only thing i can tell you that is the colin powell wasiefed. >> rose: at the time on everything -- >> i don't know the exact time line when he was briefed but i can tell you in 2004 at least by 2003-2004 he was briefed. >> rose: july of 2003. >> right. >> rose: why would they want to keep him, that's what i don't understand. why wouldn't somebody in the white house not want the secretary of state to know this. >> so i don't know the answer to that. but let me just say this charlie. >> rose: they might object to it. >> no because he didn't object tend of the day. this is a very compartmented program. >> rose: if he were to be briefed on what's been being on. >> one of the things that happens in the democratic report is they take e-mails and they pull sentences, sentence fragments, sentences, a couple sentences out of these e-mails and say look right and you lose the context of the entire e-mail. or just think about, think about if somebody had grabbed all your e-mails for the last four years and went through them and threw a few sentences

our scott pelley joins us from havana plus we'll talk with former secretary of state colin powell about his ideas on cuba and a former member of the group "anonymous" explains how he thinks sony could have been attacked and why he thinks it would be two years in the making. and chris rock tells us why he feels an extra layer of responsibility as a comedian. all of that and more. the news is back in the morning. so we'll see you at 7:00. >> all right. it all starts at 7:00 like you said, charlie, have a great show. thanks. >>> stocks rally after yesterday's fed announcement on interest rates. >> they are surging right now. let's check in with kcbs radio's financial reporter jason brooks. good morning. >> good morning, frank, good morning, michelle. finally getting a taste of that santa claus rally that we have been looking for after a big sell-off over a week and a half period. stocks had a nice rebound yesterday dow up 288 points as the fed remains patient when it comes to raising interest rates, expect that to happen sometime next year probably the middle of 2015. getting further good

one memo said the to keep details hidden from colin powell because he may employee his stack if he were to be briefed on what's going on. this is is a train wreck waiting to happen and i intend to get the held off the train before it happens. the five-year investigation also disputes claim that is the enhanced interrogations stopped eminent attacks and lead to information that located osama bin laden in pakistan. >> the committee found that the cia's coercive interrogation techniques were not an effective means of acquiring accurate intelligence or gaining detainee cooperation. we took 20 examples that the cia itself claimed to show the success of these interrogations. our staff reviewed every one of the 20 cases. and not a single case holds up. actionable intelligence that was otherwise unavailable. otherwise unavailable was not obtained using these interrogation techniques. >> so there was swift reaction from all sides to the report which critics said could put americans at home and overseas at risk. >> president obama priced those working to keep u.s. citizen safe. >> one of the thin

my parents, my grandparents and also as you mentioned steve jobs and colin powell.ramatically influenced me in philantrophy. in business, i don't think anyone has influenced me more than larry ellison. i would not be the ceo i am today, salesforce would not be the business it is, not just because of this money but because of everything i learned from him. >> big tech companies are splitting up. from hp to ebay. why is that happening? are we going to see more of it? >> i think there are a lot of different reasons why that is happening. one may be the companies have become too big, unmanageable and you want them to be smaller units. smaller units are easier to manage, so an organization like hp, they will have one for each and that will be a great strategy for them. i think the same thing is a great strategy for ebay. probably a lot of other companies will follow that. >> will oracle follow? is oracle one of those companies? >> i think that with oracle, that is difficult. number one, the distribution will be the same no matter what. oracle has to innovate at a higher

records stating that colin powell was not told about the program at first. because there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack. >> they are right now people serving in high-level positions at the agency who approved, directed or committed acts in the interrogation program. it's bad enough not to prosecute these officials, but to with regard or promote them and risk the integrate of the u.s. government to protecting this incomprehensible. >> beyond crossing the lines of what is seen as legal methods of interrogation the report also documents how the c.i.a. repeatedly misled multiple branches of the u.s. government about its programs' activities. it says the legal justification for the c.i.a.'s enhanced interrogation techniques relied on the claim that the techniques were necessary to save lives. but in march 2005 the c.i.a. submitted to the department of justice various examples of the effectiveness of the c.i.a.'s enhanced interrogation techniques that were inaccurate. and the c.i.a. provided extensive amounts of inaccurate and incompl

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colin powell went to hold up a vile and talked about it. when the drum beats of war start and especially after 9/11, there was an emotional tide and the only person who had great credibility was we did put them on the air and had them talk about it a lot. you were not in the congress. a lot of people were voting for it at that time. there was so much that was unknowable. it was six or seven months later, i was over there and he thought they had gotten so many computer print outs they thought they were going to find the weapons of mass destruction. he said they were not there. my own judgment is that a, saddam was trying to persuade iran that he was prepared to fight back with weapons of mass destruction and that his colonels and the others around him were coming up with plans getting money for it. i think the secret bank accounts all over zurich now with the money they got. and the mushroom cloud we heard a lot about. >> there was never a compelling reason for us to do it now versus wait. we were not threatening the united states. >> there

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colin powell said, madam secretary, we are spending all that money on it so we won't have to use it. that was key to ronald reagan. he used american troops and shed american blood less than any modern american president. the world knew that while america wasn't interested in getting into their affairs and settling all the differences in the world, the world knew also that if you messed with the united states, you have a problem. rand paul has got part of that right, but not the other part. you can't both stand aside and be too weak to act when you need to act. if you remember ronald reagan shortly after coming to power, when the libyans at that time did whatever they were doing, and he ordered the bombers out, he said in his diary, it's about time to tell them there is new management here. that changed a lot. once you've got that kind of management, the world changes. it is no mistake today -- compare that with barack obama's apology tour when he became president. you asked, many of the things you have to deal with today as frank was talking about -- it isn't so much the specific ins

i said, colin powell and others. they ought to be recommended and do the same thing. and then bill bailey, the cleave of staff, followed that up and basically made the same offer, and i told bill, i said, look, talk to others. because this is -- i really don't want to do this, and i'll at the you the reason. i said, i don't want to stay beyond four years in the administration, and if i'm secretary of defense, frankly, you ought to have somebody that's going to stay longer in that position, and they said, no, that doesn't make any difference. you'd be great. do it, get it done. and i just said, no, i said, look at others. and try to make that decision. and then i think it was on one of the flights back to washington where the president called me directly and indicated he want ped me to take that position. and again, you know, throughout my life, when the profit the united states usually asks you do something out of respect nor office you do it. >> host: when you read your book, next to secretary gates' book, you have the feeling on some of these national security quest

there are cia records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack if he wereie briefed. source, email from john rizzo, dated july 31, 2003. cia records clearly indicate and definitely that after he was briefed on the cia's first detainee abu zabadah, the cia didn't tell president bush about the full nature of the eitspr until april 2006. that's what the records indicate. the cia similarly withheldar information or provided falsee information to the cia inspector general during his conduct of a special review by the ig in 2004. incomplete and inaccurate information from the cia was used in documents provided to the department of justice and as a basis for president bush's whichin he publicly acknowledged the cia program for the first time. in all of these cases other cia officers acknowledged internally, they acknowledged internally that information the cia had provided was wrong. the cia also misled other cia white house officials. when vice president cheney's counsel david addington asked

colin powell went to the u.n. and held up the little file or talked about the file. so it was when the drum beats of war start in this country, and it was especially after 9/11, there's this kind of emotional tide. the only person who really spoke out, who had great credibility in this area, was brent scocroft. we put him on the air and had him talk about it a lot, but you weren't getting much out of congress. a lot of people were voting for it at the time. there's so much that was unknowable. in fact, it was six or seven months later, i was over there with david kaye, and he thought that they had gotten so many computer print-outs, he thought they were going to find the cache of weapons of mass destruction, and two weeks later, he said they're not there. my own judgment is that, a, saddam was trying to persuade iran that he was prepared to fight back with weapons of mass destruction. and that his colonels and the others around him were coming up with plans, getting money for it, and i think there were secret bank accounts all over zurich now with money they got for

border security of course is a huge, huge issue, but again i think about colin powell's statement.ealistic man who says we can find a way to have secure borders and open doors and it is up to us to figure out how to do it. >> what is your message to the seniors at cornell? what is the new message verses five and six years ago? >> same message -- number one, i want them to realize how grateful they ought to be to of had the privilege of having an education not just a cornell education but any college education. that is number one. number two, to realize that over the course of their working life, they will have many different jobs. perhaps people like me even different careers, so think about the brits that they have learned in college. and thirdly, think about each other in their communities, nonprofits, things were we do things for each other, that is the glue that keeps things together, especially in difficult economic times. >> very good. let's go back to scarlet. >> we are keeping an eye on futures especially as we await construction spending data in the lead up to the jobs rep

>> i think you hearken back to colin powell. you break it, you own it. we did such a light thing. we never owned it. we just broke in. it is sad. i think if you're going to go in to a nation like this, i don't think we should. i didn't understand what our national interests were there. i thought the legal argument that was put forth by the state department was incredibly weak. i think our desire for these countries to spring from nowhere -- i think we have learned that it doesn't exist. >> that is the lesson from iraq? >> that is the lesson. the way we wish things to be is not the way that it is. we have learned a great deal from iraq and libya. >> let me turn to russia. the ruble is plummeting. the pipeline in eastern europe had to be canceled. the economy is going into a recession. the sanctions have clearly worked. oil prices are dropping. is this going to make putin more moderate, less aggressive, or go the other way? >> i think it's going to be more aggressive. the speech he gave this week was more strident than any talks he has given. that is why i was so concerned when he h

they were afraid to tell colin powell about this. wasn't the president of the united states fully briefed until 2006 years after dozens of detainees had been subjected to these harsh techniques? >> the president of the united states george bush, approved this program. all you have to do is read his book where he says he knew about the program. >> he said he was uncomfortable with two techniques but the record also shows he wasn't briefed by the cia director about how those techniques were being carried out. >> he was briefed by a national security adviser. >> so he knew everything that was going on? >> yes. >> are you concerned about this report? >> yes the taliban this morning said because of this report, we're going to increase our attacks in afghanistan. >> mike, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. >>> we'll talk with jose rodriguez, the cia's former director of clandestine service, ahead on "cbs this morning." >>> a massive rescue effort to save hundreds of seen are yous s seniors from a huge fire in dallas. more than 150 firefigh

cia report site in internal memo with instructions from the white house to hide the program from colin powell>> the only thing i can tell you is, he was briefed. in 2004, by 2003-2004, he was briefed. >> why would they want to keep this from him? why would they not want the secretary of state to know this? >> i don't know the answer. >> he might object to it? >> he did not object at the end of the day. this was a very compartmented program. one of the things that happens in the democratic report as they take e-mails. they pull sentences, sentence fragments, out of the e-mails and say, look. you lose the context of the e-mail. think of if somebody grabbed all your e-mails and through a few sentences on the table. look where i am heading. the other thing i would say was, the cia operation i know the best, the secretary of state was not briefed until a month before. the secretary of homeland security, the fbi director, and the attorney general were not briefed on the bin laden operation on to the day before or the day of. in some cia operations, you keep things tight. >> who knew this? >> i do n