it certainly relieves the subs to collaboratize, so it's beneficial in that sense. just one further example, with the shipyard phase one, we not require a payment for permanentance bond in the project area itself, what they've done is undertaken coverage themselves. yeah, this is a benefit that needs to be promoted some more. this is an item that many many of the subcontractors is aware it's going to cost them a lot of money. number eight on the monitoring, do you do meetings -- you know, increase their chances so that they will apply again. >> on a case by case basis as it comes across, but it's really what the general contractor and their solicitation effort, we report on that whether it's successful or not successful. when we do on a case by case basis hear of instances, we inject ourselves in terms of facilitating meetings. one of our common talking points is that for a subthat's having difficulty getting communication back is to have them e-mail the general and communicate with us. >> 'cause one of your bidders came to me and said she never was informed what it