our guest, fbi whistle-blower, colleen rowly. >>> and the little child shall lead them. the arizona 13-year-old raising money to get a liver transplant for jan brewer death panel victim, francisco felix. >> i'm only a 17-year-old kid trying to help another kid live another day. >> our guest, carlos olivos you're. >>> crash and burn, sarah palin's book sales plummet another 29% on top of last week's plummet. >> and which word is he saying here, censure or censor. he claims censure. >> and i think we that we also should be censoring the american news agencies which enabled him. >> all the news and commentary now on "countdown." >> we need to have an honest conversation. >>> good evening from new york. this is wednesday, december 15th, 692 days until the 2012 presidential election. and to that point, the white house says that congressmen couldn't know firsthand, because the president has not spoken to him about this, nor said this to him about any of this, but congressman peter defazio of oregon is tonight saying that the mr. obama is, quote, making phone calls, saying this

let's turn to former fbi agent and whistle-blower, colleen rowly. >> thank you. >> i can tell you in my 24 years a an fbi investigator and 13 years teaching fbi agents criminal procedure, i've never heard of punishing someone pre-conviction like this in solitary confinement. it really sounds vindictive and in a way, it seems like some of the harsh interrogation tactics have kind of bled over now into the criminal process, which is just shocking. >> the devil's advocate question, was what manning allegedly materially did from what you did? were his alleged actions different from what wikileaks did because of the oath that he took and his duty to the u.s. military? >> well, i've had a chance, you know, to meet many other whistle-blowers. and of course, a famous one, daniel ellsberg. and i think what bradley did is on all fours what ellsberg did. he leaked higher classified documents than bradley manning. so if you look at shooting the messenger, the phenomenon. that's exactly what happens in almost all of these cases. it's the same old thing. >> is there any important distinction to be