a lot of -- a lot of distance between, you know, the collin hanks and the chad hanks and i think, you know, collin hanks acts like he doesn't know his own brother, so and it's clear why. [laughter] >> we have one question. you can take us out. >> are you able to talk about jazz as a field for appropriation or assimilation or integration? how do you see those issues playing out in that? >> yeah. so i'm not a jazz -- the book itself kind of start in the early 2000's because i think there's actually a lot of, you know, sort of really wonderful work thinking about evolution and the 20th century. he's thinking about the white use appropriation and interest in jazz culture and hipster culture. >> a lot of harlem renaissance literature that's kind of thinking about this. one of my favorite novels is called black no more by george skyler who was an author and actually really kind of critical about the idea of like he was critical of the idea of there being distinct black culture, but sort of in this novel sort of begins in this mixed-race jazz setting and one of the characters -- she's like,