states people at once, but that is exactly the opportunity i had this week when i sat down with collin powell and madeleine albright. both of them, of course, served as secretaries of state. powell under president george w. bush, albright under bill clinton. i was invited to interview on a stage in front of a group of citizens, members of the military and first responders. let's begin with general powell talking about all the tu multisurrounding the whistleblower and the phone call around the president of the united states and ukraine. >> we have this situation in washington with the preliminary investigation being done by the house of representatives under mrs. pelosi, and you just got to ask yourself, where does this all go? well, it's going to go the constitutional way. she is following the constitution and the law, and she's created an organization within the house of representatives to look into these things. and that's what we ought to do. but it's hard to look into it when the other side in the white house is cursing out everybody. calling a member of congress a traitor. calling a guy

madeleine albright and collin powell on the president's phone call with his ukrainian counterpart.

international and not turkish control in an interview with an exclusive interview with articulate collin powell who's been seen as a possible successor to transfer uncle americal said she had discussed the idea with merkel and put it to germany's western allies here's part of what she had to say. my recommendation is that we establish an internationally controlled security zone in cooperation with taki and russia. and. this security czar in would seek to resume the fight against terror and against isis which currently has come to a standstill. moment to tighten with even the call is. it would also ensure that we stabilize the region so that rebuilding civilian life is once again possible. so that those who have fled can also return voluntarily. well let's bring in d.-w. is chief political editor mckayla krisna who conducted that interview with the german defense minister good to see you mckay them so tell us more about on a plate what honestly come by or is hoping to achieve with this move well she's clearly trying to change the game the power game that's currently going on in northern syria th

. >>> former secretary of state collin powell has a message for the republican party, get a grip.hose stories and more coming up. . >>> welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin. a second whistle-blower has come forward with information about president trump's phone call with the president of ukraine. while attorneys say this new whistle-blower has firsthand knowledge of the events, the white house is dismissing it. >> we get the very latest from nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. >> reporter: good morning, the whistle-blower whose story led to the impeachment inquiry is getting some backup. lawyers for that cia employee tell me they are now representing, quote, multiple whistle-blowers. they wouldn't be more specific about the number, except to say it's at least two. a second witness is challenging president trump's ukraine call and the foreign help he sought to investigate the bidens. the new whistle-blower is cooperating with the intelligence community inspector general, michael atkinson, but is not expected to file a separate co

collin powell all but called republicans cowardly. >> they need to get a grip and when they see thingsmething about it. >> reporter: some republicans like rob portman of ohio are now starting to follow a road map laid out by fox's tucker carlson who penned an op-ed admitting the president should not have encouraged a foreign pleader to investigate his political opponent but that is not a impeachment defense. >> and he thinks the president's call to ukraine leader and comments about china were, quote, totally inappropriate. but he also told me he isn't ready to say that publicly because he knows that he's not sure, he said if there is, quote, another jack in the box out there. so he's reluctant to go too far in defending the president and told me his colleagues tell him they agree. >> dana bash, thank you. >>> jen psaki, let me go to the quote we heard from a campaign consultant for mitch mcconnell on the ballot next november. quote, no issue has motivated republican donors like this since brett kavanaugh. are you afraid of that? i know you support impeaching -- or the investigation at

. >> still ahead on "morning joe," collin powell tells the republican party to get a grip. we'll show you what the retired general has to say about the gop under donald trump. >>> plus, bernie sanders talks often about healthcare and now it's hitting pretty close to home had the how his heart attack last week is impacting his presidential bid. but first, let's go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >>> good morning. fall has arrived for many fine, no more of that historic heat wave. we have a lot of rain this morning, northern minnesota, northern portions of mississippi and alabama. also watching the rain moving through tennessee and kentucky. as we go through the afternoon some of that will make it into areas of new england and central new england. i think d.c., philly will be okay. most of the rain will be later on tonight if it makes at that time all. dallas, you've waited so long for this. 78 and sunny. low humidity. oklahoma, same for you. here comes the next weathermaker through the rockies. this will be a snowstorm in the northern plains, first one of

when asked why he didn't ask collin powell about whether he should invite iraq the second time, georgell, i knew what he was going to say. we have been paying, we have been pairing for the arrogance of commanders and chiefs in foreign policy now for 19 years. and it continues. >> but think there's a difference between -- >> of course there's a difference. hold on a second. thank you. i just want to make sure that all of our friends in tweetland understand i am not putting them altogether. i'm just simply saying, there has been this attitude over the past 19 years from the past three presidents that they know better than the experts. and we have paid a price for it. but go ahead, you're right. there's a huge difference between donald trump and any of the 44 presidents who preceded him. he is so much more worse on such a larger scale. i'm just hoping the next president we have actually engages a little more in an interagency process that draws upon the wisdom of experts. >> i was one of the people that was critical of president obama in particular for what i thought was a certain amount

candid words from the former secretary of state collin powell.are reminded about the vulnerability of our system of government in ways metaphorical and literal. also this week microsoft announced that iranian hackers tried to tied to iran's government rather targeted a 2020 presidential campaign which the "new york times" and reuters say was president trump's. at the moment there is no indication they were compromised. and there are ramifications abroad as well because vladimir putin spoke with our own kier simmons. take a look at this and then we will talk about it on "the other side." >> is russia as robert mueller alleged attempting to influence the 2020 elections in the united states? >> translator: i'll tell you in a secret. yes, we will definitely intervene. it's a secret so that everybody can laugh and so we will go big. but don't tell anyone, please. [ applause ] please don't tell anyone. >> all right. now "the washington post" reports russia is already looking for leverage on ukraine and to undermine president zelensky as a minor leaguer

and this is what lawrence wilkerson, and a former chief of staff to collin powell said earlier today. >> it is fooling the american people thinking that the threat is abating because of this action. it is not abating. and ansar al zawahiri is strategically five times smarter than al baghdadi, and we have it festering. >> any chance that the president overplayed the significance and the impact of terror threats in general? >> i don't think that we should minimize the extreme blow that isis suffered in losing baghdadi, because these are compartmented terrorist organizations and when you kill somebody like baghdadi who is not probably the day-to-day chief operating officer of isis international, but nonetheless, they have to knit themselves together again. there could be succession struggles, so it is a remarkably capable and important blow against isis and terrorism, and having said that, there are 15,000 or more fighters still on the ground from isis, and another 10,000 or so who are likely to escape custody in the coming weeks. so isis not over. this is just a remarkably capable blow

collins. >> asking china to get involved in investigating a political opponent is completely inappropriate. >> reporter: former secretary of state colin powell making headlines for these comments about his party. >> the republican party has got to get a grip on itself right now. republican leade and mbers of the congress, both senate and the house are holding back because they're terrified of what will happen to any one of them if they speak up. will they lose a primary? our foreign policy is in shambles, in my humble judgment, and i see things happening that are hard to understand. >> reporter: now the president is also pointing fingers trying to pin the controversy on his energy secretary, according to sources familiar with the matter, in a phone call with house republicans, the president said rick perry urged him to make that july call with ukraine's president, saying it was a call he didn't even want to make. savannah. >> kristen, thank you so much. let's turn to nbc news analyst, jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense. good morning. >> good morning. >> a second whistleblower has come forward, considering

collins, she megan leads bloombergs economic coverage. still with me is sarah hunt. this does not set up jay powelle goes to talk when you have producer prices down .3%. fed has been grappling with the inflation numbers. coming in lower-than-expected. this morning is not good news. on friday jay powell set on a speech in washington dc that he is still looking for inflation to get back up to that 2% target. the fed was seeing some indication that inflation was moving a bit closer to that target over the last several months. these figures show there is still question about whether or not inflation is muted. specifically at the time when we are seeing tariffs flow through and potentially consumer prices. -- we have seen a number of people say the rise of technology and automation throughout businesses is changing the dynamic of pricing and how inflation may be flowing through to the consumer. that is something that is also flying out, as well as an aging population throughout the world is another factor that is weighing on economies. we are seeing these big demographic shifts. we are seeing technologi

actually referenced collins in the ruling, writing that his contentions are, quote, at worst red herrings and at best incorrect. joining me now, congresswoman debbie mckarasel powellida and member of the judiciary committee. congresswoman, welcome to you. why do you and your colleagues need to see the grand jury evidence in the mueller report, and are you hoping to learn something that could contribute to the impeachment inquiry? >> thank you. good afternoon, alex. thank you for having me on. i think that we requested this information when we received the mueller report, and if you recall, so many parts of that report were redacted. we did not receive all of the underlying evidence, and it is extremely important for us to understand, if there was any previous information to the president before the release of the wikileaks -- that's part of what we need to understand. i think it's also very important that before we move into any sort of impeachment vote or drafting any articles of impeachment, it's very important that we conduct full investigation with all the underlying evidence. i have to say that it's interesting to hear what representative collins is saying, b

powell, myself to have greater connectivity prior to any intrusion or we might be marking up the legislation by mr. ratcliffe and mr. hines joined by mr. collins and mr. qana 3238 that would create greater consequence. that's not what this is about and this is about smearing the president of the united states and delegitimizing this historic election. just moments ago the chairman said peter strzok was acting in the highest tradition of government service. i believe you are holding a job once he held, and aki is havingr with a coworker, on. >> i'm not going to comment on that. >> are there regulations on that? >> you hold mr. strzok's job. are you saying you don't know if it's against fbi policy to have an extra marital affair with a co-worker. i hold a slightly different job. i'm the d.a.d. branch and not that we're held to a different standard and i'm not going to comment on whether or not peter strzok's behavior was out of conduct. >> is it at the highest service of the fbi to engage with coworkers. you should know that if you're coworkers. >> sir, i'm not going to comment on that. >> we do not have confidence that strzok's decision to prio