so i thought he was giving too much support to colson. bob haldeman, he and i have had our meeting of the ways and renewed our friendship before he died. and i and bob finch had lunch one time to talk it all out. in fact ghb his boktfact, in hi kind to us book. i think he just was consumed with power. the problem was he had a lot of young guys who, they would tell a cabinet officer the president wants this, be probably the only time they'd seen the president were in the weeks he'd been on television and he had a few too much power was given to -- the president delegated too much power to haldeman and ehrliurla. the kind of language that came out of him, he would never use that kind of language. >> did you actually talk to the president? >> no, i didn't go to the president with that kind of thing. i talked to haldeman about it. >> you knew sometimes haldeman was carrying your mail. wasn't delivering your mail. >> well, i wasn't sure what he did or what he didn't. i was in haldeman's office one time when kissinger threatened to resign becau

i thought he was giving too much support to colson. bob haldeman, he and i have had our meeting of the ways and renewed our friendship before he died, and i and bob finch had lunch one time to talk it all ou out: i think he just became too consumed with power. the probably was that he had a lot of young guys who -- they would tell the cabinet officer the president wants them. probably the only time they had seen the president in weeks had been on television. and he had a few -- too much power was given -- the president delegated too much power to haldeman, ehrlichman and colson. the kind of language he used that came out i've never heard him use any time when i've been around him. he might swear a little bit like i've said damn orr hell sometimes, but that was about it. he'd never use that kind of language. >> did you actually talk to the president? >> no, i didn't go to the president with that kind of thing. i talked to haldeman about it. >> you knew sometimes haldeman wasn't carrying your [ inaudible ]. >> i wasn't sure what he did o

and he said i was--he was going to eob and see chuck colson. i said, 'do you mind if i come along and photograph?' and he said, 'no, come on along.' and we appeared there at the door, and colson looked at me with jeb, and he just went ballistic. he did not appreciate the fact that jeb had brought me there. and he--now that--mind you, the watergate had happened 10 days before, and the last thing in the world i'm sure he wanted to see was a photographer with--with jeb, when they had to talk about matters that maybe referred to it. i mean, i have no way of knowing, but i can just speculate. but jeb convinced him to let me stay for a little while, and then i would leave, which is how i did it. i mean, i--i got my photographs and left. and it was only later that i realized how significant that must have been, that time frame. c-span: where did you get this picture of spiro agnew? >> guest: we were--i was on the campaign trail with him in 1970 and--as part of this first coverage of the first term, and this was done in the holiday inn--the presidentia

i don't think colson ordered it anyway but mcgruter did. i have a theory on how mcgruter got john mitchell to approve it but again that's my speculation. john had a wife who could be a very big problem sometimes. she'd speak out at all hours of the day or not about what are was bothering her. one of my jobs was try to take care of martha mitchell as well. that was me. so he was taking a little vacation in in order. jed mcgruter came down with a list of things he wanted to prove for the committee and my theory is that he waited until about the last and martha mitchell was yeg at john, saying get rid of that young guy and come back here. and so he just checked it off quickly and let it go. i think he's too smart to do something like that deliberately. my other theory is that i used to talk to mcgruter sometimes about what we did in 1960 on jennings and in 160 kennedy had a guy named dick tuck who was a great trickster and a good guy. so he would do like he planted chinese cookies at a nixon dinner that said something like "beat nixon" or what

into the ring on this the fact that the religious right leaders have been doing things like charles colson did when he wrote for the "wall street journal" last week saying this president is against religious freedom this is a well-orchestrated, far-right, religious right attack. that's where it is coming from. it's dirty politics masquerading as concern for religion. they do not care about with what religion what they care about is defeating our first african-american president. they have tried everything else and now they are going to see if this sticks. well, good luck to them because there are a lot of evangelical christians for instance, who i know personally, i'm going to a conference this summer called the wild goose festival all they be speaking at in june that has gathered expressly to give another opinion, saying, look, christians can reach out to people of other faiths. >> that's right. >> the same thing -- the same thing with a speaking tour i'm on right now called theocracy or democracy. that's tight that will i'm going to be out there speaking b. >> well, let me go back for a

i spoke with chuck colson who started a group called prison fellowship after he left prison in the 1950s. he told me at the time he left prison there were 250,000 people in prison in america. today there are 2.5 million people in prison in america. and 70% to 80% of them grew up without a father in the home. now, let's just do the math. and what america is going to look like. and you tell me how we can be economically successful. folks, we as remembers, we as conservatives, we can't go out there and just say cut spending, cut taxes, everybody's going to be fine. first off, economically, everybody isn't going to be fine. we need to create an environment where all people can rise. and we also have to create a culture that is consistent with the values of our country. our country was a great country because we believed in building a great and just society from the bottom up. believing in freedom, faith, family. the school, the little hospital, the civic and charitable organizations. what have we done? what's happened? this government has gotten bigger and more forceful. they're sweeping the

maria colson. and now western countries are putting more pressure on the syrian president to step down. dominic is live in berut with more on the story, dominic. >> uma, dismay and disappointment from the syria opposition that the conference yesterday of cent countries that got together to see what they could do to bring an end to the violence in syria came up with no strategy whatsoever. look, we wanted action and deeds and not more condemnation. it was interesting to see a split between the arab league and western countries who are calling for military intervention. it is an excellent idea. hillary clinton showed a great degree of frustration and that is for china and russia who veted attempts to bring a end to the violence. this is what she had to say. scrathing comments. take a listen. >> it is quite distressing to see two permanent members of the security council using their veto when people are being murdered, women, children, brave youngg men and houses are being destroyed. it is just despic

people like robert george of princeton in getting these catholics and bishops together like chuck colsonker, you know, the logic of where they're pushing is not to take us to iran but it's a theocracy lite. it would be american democracy tempered by what they would call biblical absolutes which means we're no longer under the rule of law as most americans would understand it. it's in not a level playing field. if you're a white christian, evangelical, conservative roman catholic, all of a sudden you get special privileges -- you get tax exemption but you also get to say, oh, well, we're not going to insure women for contraceptions. that's the world they would create, what it is headed towards. >> frank, good to have you on today. we appreciate your insights. thank you. >> thomas, thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back. first, thanks for the memories to davy jones. ♪ wake up sleepy jean oh, what can it mean to a daydream believer ♪ ♪ and a homecoming queen ♪ for a hot dog cart. my mother said, "well, maybe we ought to buy this hot dog cart and set it up someplace." so my parents wen

. >> reporter: former tucson drug enforcement chief tony colson said they weren't the only agency withon two occasions that i know of weapons that atf were trying to walk into mexico, ice actually interceded and seized those weapons. >> reporter: the dea also helped providing intelligence on suspected ring leaders. the atf shared the same wire room inside this building with the dea where they would monitor live conversations of their targets. this lasted for more than a year as the atf tried to identify two high-level cartel associates the money men behind fast and furious. according to documents both the dea and the f.b.i. new who the men were and didn't bother to tell the atf. their names were written on call streets inside here but the atf never saw them. the f.b.i. also admitted both men were confidential informants, making them off limits and unindictable. so for a year atf agents were looking for these two guys, they were already on the f.b.i. payroll, for a year the dea and f.b.i. knew who they were and did not tell the atf, knew their identities the day that fast and furious be

chuck colson started a group called prison fellowship in the 1970's. he tell me at that time there are 250 nelson people in america in prison. today there are 2.5 million people in america and 80% of them grew up without a father in home. let's just do the math and what america is going to look like and you tell me how we can be economically successful. folks, we as republicans and conservatives cannot just go out there and say cut taxes, cut spending, everybody is going to be fine. everybody is not going to be fine. we have to create an environment where all people can rise and we have to create a culture that is consistent with the values of our country. we believe in creating a just society from the bottom up. believing in faith, family the leading institutions that you may have read about for democracy in america. we talk about all these organizations at the grass- roots level, at the school, the little hospital, the civic and charitable organization. what we have done. what has happened. as carmen has gotten bigger and more forceful, they -- gover