when did you stop talking to colston? >> can you remind when colston came to the white house? was it about '70? >> it was '70. >> okay. he came from another staff. it was sort of a picture offing a liberal republican and man of enormous integrity and decency. i began to be aware of colston's influence when he or someone on his staff would communicate something to the labor department which led me to believe that in his effort to seek political support from local trade unions around the country, he was promising some relief from department of labor, regulatory and legal proceedings. i have always felt that the most heinous crime any administration can engage this is a political slant on law enforcement. and, therefore, i instructed people who were involved in law enforcement to ignore colston and his staff. i also received a complaint from an independent agency that was allied with the labor department, national labor relations board, my ex-executive assistant had become deputy counsel, john irving, and he told me with white house pressure on lrb cases and i told john to ignore

so, he met only with ehrlichman, haldeman, colston and george schultz, connelly and a few others. i think when he met with george he was pretty careful not to exhibit the same kind of behavior or personality that he did in the tapes to haldeman, ehrlichman, colston and connelly. >> when you listened to the tapes, did you -- when you listened to the tapes, did you come to some conclusion about the role of anti-se mettism? >> yes, i was absolutely horrified to read about nixon's statement about jews. if i had ever heard any of those statements, i would have resigned on the spot. there's one rather amusing aspect of this. in -- before the election of '72, i was called by someone in the white house to ask -- no, to be told that i was to speak to a large congregation of rabbis in chicago. make a political speech. i says, you know, i'm not -- i'm not particularly religious. i'm not a great political speechmaker. i'm not sure i'm the right man for this. and the person at the other end of the phone said, well, you are the highest-ranking jew in the administration. i said wait a minute, wh

but it was amazing to he how colston and these guys wanted to get cronkite.iberal media elite. and if you couldn't get cronkite, and they were flummoxed by him, because walter seemed to do no wrong. even if you tried to tar and feather him with something, people shrugged, oh, it's uncle walter and they left him alone. they decided by the end of the kennedy assassination that they liked walter cronkite and they didn't want to believe anything bad about him. >> you look at cronkite versus murrow and dan rather? >> edward r. murrow and cronkite never got along. largely of a handshake agreement that he did. walter was so impressed being with the great edward r. murrow he made the deal and then he backed -- backed off and stayed with the united press, so bad blood with murrow. and murrow didn't believe in the live coverage that cronkite did. murrow thought cameras became infomercials, which they have. walter cronkite mastered how to do the political convention. as murrow's ship was going down, meaning he was a radio guy in the age of television by 1960, cronkite's