>> yes, it is. >> and they drive up to the columbia gorge. the trunk, and there was rope in there. he says, i'm going to tie her up. it's more of a thrill this way. >> laverne says she gets out of the car and she goes to this stairwell, and taunja bennett is laying there in the stairwell. she's alive. >> john wanted her to get behind her head and to pull the rope tight and tighten it around her neck while he was having sex with her. >> and what were you doing while he was having sex with her? >> i was holding the rope outward. >> he says, "draw the rope tight." laverne says she continues to draw the rope tight and looks away. >> he kept saying, "hang on, hang on." i must have tightened it as i was hanging on. >> she said taunja bennett was moving. suddenly, taunja bennett ceases to move. >> and is the process of pulling that rope tight when her body went limp? >> yeah. >> okay. ms. pavlinac, let me ask you a question. do you believe, sitting here today, that by pulling that rope tight that you caused the death of taunja ann bennett? >> yeah.