my intervie with you director of "boeing with "columbine" and "fahrenheit 911" talking about the anniversaryf shock and awe. the catholic church and pope francis and, of course, guns in america. >> guns don't kill people. americans kill people. we're -- we do this more than anybody else. >> the right to bear arms. >> now if the founding fathers could have looked into a crystal ball and seen ac-47s and a glock semiautomatic pistol i would think they would tell us, you know, that's not what we mean when we say bear arms. >> and in the wake of a tragedy in newtown, could michael moore change his mind about this. >> i'm not going to come on another damntv show period after the next one of these shootings. >> this is "piers morgan" live. i'm here with my guest mike al moore. a lot to talk about. a passionate advocate about gun control with strong feelings. senator harry reid's decision in the senate to drop a proposed ban on semi-ought mat you can weapon in the wake of the shootings in newtown an chemical weapons in the massive civil war, president obama on his way to the region and first trip to

i made that movie to try and stop this madness after columbine.nd you know, probably like all filmmakers or documentary fim makers, we think that world will change. so the fact that it is relevant, people say, mike, why don't you make a sequel. of are you kidding? the movie is the same. the same movie i would make tonight. it saddens me. but i'm not paralyzed by it. i'm as pissed as of and i'm willing to join with the majority of my fellow americans. 303 million of us who are not members of the national rifle association. er with the majority. we are the majority that want the laws passed and majority that want us to stop invading other countries and majority that do not like it when violence against women acts are held up for years. that's us. me, you, the people watching. we're the majority. and it's time that minority, the right wing of this country, you've had your time, you've had your day, you haven't made us a better country. we're far worse off than when i was a child. so step aside. we're here now and we're going to figure this out apleas

we are all going to watch "bowling for columbine" together.i'm going to be live in their living rooms via the internet to take questions, to discuss what are we going to do. grassroots all the way. all across america. anybody can do it saturday night. >> we had an amazing statistic. nearly 3,000 americans have been killed with guns since sandy hook. nearly as many people died as on 9/11. >> 9/11. >> can you imagine if the response had been, we can't do anything. we can't get the votes? that's as many americans that have been killed with guns. i also read in newtown they have a doubling of the rate of people in newtown alone applying for gun permits. because the nra got out there and said, you need to be armed. everybody in america must be armed. teachers, nurses, so on. two big rock stars, rob thomas and nikki sixx tweeted the same thing. you have michael moore on the show. would love to hear him talk about the blog on guns. they said you said in your blog about sandy hook last week it may take a moment as dramatic as one of the parents releas

but columbine and aurora were not enough to change anything in colorado when it comes to policy. nothing happened. and that seemed to prove that nothing could happen, even in the face of the worst kind of gun violence. today something began to happen. the first change it reflects is newtown. each horrible gun massacre we go through as a country feels like it's going to be the one that we go through as a country that will galvanize us to demand some kind of change. it's always impossible to imagine that anything could be worse. and with newtown, maybe this actually is going to be the one that we cannot imagine anything worse. and it really does change us. newtown has happened since. but also, a much more pedestrian change has happened since in colorado, one that may have profoundly changed the realm of what is possible in colorado. it's what happened in the last election. colorado's governor is a democrat. colorado's senate had been democratic controlled before. in the november election, colorado's house also went democratic. so colorado now is all blue. not by huge margins. not b

just hours before the state legislature was going to vote, the columbine attack occurred there.i could go through lots of other cases but you know it's not just in the united states. in europe all the multiple shootings in europe and even in switzerland where they allow concealed carry in many places, via taxpayer have all occurred in multiple public shootings in very few places where guns are banned. these killers seem to seek out places where the victims can't defend themselves. the way to think about this is that these guys are committing suicide, these killers. they read their statements and look at the videotape sent other things that they leave, they want to commit suicide but they want to do so because, they want to do so in a way that people know who they are in the chilling thing when you read their statements is that they say explicitly if i can only kill more people than such and such, even this new town attack the killer was apparently comparing himself to the norwegian person. apparently the reason why he picked the school with these young kids is that he thought he

columbine had already happened like five months before that. there were quite a few similarities between my case and that, like i was wearing a trench coat. >> and behind some murders, a person you thought you could trust. >> i just remember when i woke up, first thing i said was, today is the day. >>> more americans are incarcerated today than ever before, and now when we go behind the walls of maximum security prisons, we see a greater cross section of inmates than ever. >> i mean, obviously they're the ones that the moment you meet them, you know they're dangerous and belong in prison, but we're also finding more and more inmates who have committed murder who look like the guy next door, just an average, normal guy, and it's really left us puzzled. i mean, what would lead a guy like this to kill someone? >> at 27 years old, adam drake looks more like a college dorm resident than a maximum security prison inmate. >> you seem awful happy and perky. >> i am always happy and perky. >> but when we met him at the limon correctional facility in col

you look back at places like columbine. there was an armed guard, and he was shot and killed.ou know what, it is not a guarantee of any security, added security for our children are safety. yesterday i had exactly the opposite reaction you know, i thought he was condescending and reared. you think about what dianne feinstein went through as mayor of san francisco where she saw people slaughtered in her own office. i mean, it. >> how is it condescending and root? piaster a very simple question about the application of the second amendment to the first amendment. he did it in a very respectful tone, and i will tell you this, as a woman i would have not been offended command a definitely would have not played the victim card and said i tell patronize the way that she did. she should have answered the question, not let the other boys on the senate committee, a third offense. she could not answer the question because she was trapped in hypocrisy on the constitution . liberals hate being asked about the constitution. they jump around. >> i don't think she was trapped at all. impact

look at columbine. that's how the shooters of columbine got their guns. someone bought them on their behalf. this is a serious problem. it costs lives every single day across this country. >> now, you were a victim last year in aurora u colorado. how are you doing, first of all? >> very well, thank you. >> and you are now committed to make sure this doesn't happen again to others. the circumstances that could have been avoided if they had been stripped to gun legislation in your opinion around your circumstances or what? >> i assume they feel strongly about the high can pass tid magazine ban. the shooting in aurora had a hundred round magazine. and thankfullyfully, that magazine jammed. if that gun hadn't jammed, i honestly don't believe i'd be here talking to you here today. >> wow. and they're getting weak in the senate on magazines. let me go back to you, caroline. you lost your son and you have committed your life to making sure, caroline, that other mothers don't face what you face. you've been around trying to raise this issue. when you see the supp

for example, the columbine shootings from 1999.april 20 happen to be hitler's birthday and it wasn't just a coincidence. they did it because they admired adolf hitler. they admired the power and control that he represented. they survived that day at columbine high school and the next plan would be to hijack an airplane in flight to the skyline of new york city. this was two years before 9/11. it is interesting when 9/11 happened. some americans that it was unfathomable to use an airplane as a weapon. two kids from colorado thought about it two years earlier. so to show the level of planning that is involved in this. one man was smiling as he was shooting people down they had it all planned out. they have gone through there, they were very comfortable with the plan the rest of us, of course, it reacted with hysterics. now, what is the most general motive -- and they do have clear-cut motives. they see themselves as someone who has been mistreated, someone who has been dealt with unfairly. this man, two years ago, he had a rampage at

i do it because what happened in columbine should have happened in my neighborhood, and it did not. there was no one there for me when this happened to me. [applause] there were no counselors, and nobody come into my house to ask me questions about what happened. the already labeled my son in the papers as a gang member. they labeled him as a drug dealer. no be had came to me -- no media came to me to ask me about my child. the people in my community seamen visible -- seemed invisible, and that seems unfair. i do because i want to see justice. i want to look at the person who killed my son and asked him why. why did you kill my son? what was so -- what did he do that allow you to shoot him point blank with four bullets in the face? what would make you do such a thing? i want to meet the individual, to let him know i have already forgiven you. if i had not for giving you, i would not be here today. i have to forgive you, but i want to know why. why do i want to know why? i want to get you killed, too. kurds people -- hurt people hurt people. apparently, you are hurting. you had to be

i mean, what happened with sandy -- with the elementary school and virginia tech, columbine and in colorado recently, it has to end. >> reporter: demonstrators say they will be out demonstrating for universal background checks as long as it takes. live in san francisco, sal castanedo, ktvu channel 2 news. >> thank you, sal. >>> more details now on the gunman in the newtown shooting. court documents including search warrants of his home were released this morning. investigators found he had an arsenal of guns in the home where he lived with his mother. there was a gun safe in his bedroom. also found were more than a thousand rounds of ammunition, knives, samurai swords. investigators say they also found a holiday card containing a check made out to him for the purchase of a firearm signed by his mother. >>> u.s. park police are investigating the discovery of a body along the coast in san francisco this morning. it was found off ocean beach near the great highway and judith street just before 7:30. san francisco firefighters say the person was face down in the water. investigators have not re

as you may know, there were two armed deputy sheriffs at columbine. did they succeed at stopping the tragedy? did they try? what happened? >> with respect to columbine, obviously the armed guards who were present that they were not able to prevent the terrible tragedy that took place. i would note that the president's proposal of important gun control and gun violence control initiatives does include a portion that gives local schools the option and the hopefully the funding to have community resource officers present in the school. that is something that individual schools might choose. it is fair to say that our experience is that armed guards is not sufficient to prevent the kinds of things we have seen. >> thank you. chief, could you comment on that as well? >> having armed security president is essential, but there are no guarantees. especially for cities like milwaukee. we have a hard enough time keeping the police department the strength it is in. i do not know who will pay for the armed guards. perhaps someone will come up with a grant program

. >> we are united with virginia tech w aurora, with columbine, tucson, and together we will fight forger laws to reduce gun violence. >> reporter: president obama is going to capitol hill this week to reach out to lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. guns are a certain talking point. the issue has state legislatures across the nation debating what to do next. >> it is a fallacy to think passing this bill will increase public safety. >> reporter: even in places like colorado, south dakota and florida, where gun ownership is a way of life, there's no scrutiny. who can carry guns? what test will they have to pass to safeguard the public and second amendment rights at the same time? from newtown to washington, a journey these riders hope will make a difference. brian mooar, nbc news. >>> two deadly attacks today during chuck hagel's first trip to afghanistan as defense secretary. a suicide bomber detonated a bomb on a bicycle, and another was deatonated near a checkpoin. hagel faced some tough questions from the troops about the transition in afghanistan. >> yes, danger, yes, uncertainty

>> reporter: it's the latest shooting in a state that saw the aurora movie theater massacre and columbineit's become ground zero for the gun debate. ironically the government kept his schedule today, signing tough new gun legislation limiting ammunition and requiring buyers to pay for background checks, just hours after the beloved member of his cabinet was shot. >> he would have expected us to sign these bills and go forward today. that's the kind of man he was. >> reporter: kristen dahlgren, nbc new, los angeles. >>> as we mentioned at the very top of the broadcast tonight the health news this evening is this. the number of children with autism in this country may be a lot higher than previously thought according to new research from the cdc. tonight our chief science correspondent robert bazell has a look at what's behind these new numbers. >> reporter: the latest numbers show that autism diagnoses have grown to the point where parents report that fully 1 in 50 school age children has autism. aiden myers was diagnosed two years ago. >> i think it's scary. i think that we obviously need

i mean, what happened with sandy -- with the elementary school and virginia tech, columbine and in colorado recently, it has to end. >> reporter: demonstrators say they will be out demonstrating for universal background checks as long as it takes. live in san francisco, sal castanedo, ktvu channel 2 news. >> thank you, sal. >>> more details now on the gunman in the newtown shooting. court documents including search warrants of his home were released this morning. investigators found he had an arsenal of guns in the home where he lived with his mother. there was a gun safe in his bedroom. also found were more than a thousand rounds of ammunition, knives, samurai swords. investigators say they also found a holiday card containing a check made out to him for the purchase of a firearm signed by his mother. >>> u.s. park police are investigating the discovery of a body along the coast in san francisco this morning. it was found off ocean beach near the great highway and judith street just before 7:30. san francisco firefighters say the person was face down in the water. investigators have not re

i want you to think about to the time after columbine and think what happened after that incident happened. there was a wave to put metal detectors in schools and all of this security. i will tell you folks in two different schools and having confiscated many weapons it wasn't a metal detector that brought it to my attention. it was a student. they were the most effective because they're ubiquitous. they are everywhere. they know who has what in the backpack and if you extrapolate that to bullying we can't be at home when they are logging in. students will know who posted what and if we can build the resiliency in the student body and move from the paradigm where it's okay to post those things and you're a big guy because you have a picture of a naked teeneen on your phone and to a culture it's not scpook you're hurting somebody and somebody will bring that to the attention of an adult that can intercede. i think that is what we're trying to develop and system and students understand it's not okay to hurt each other and whether it's words or pictures. that can only happen with what george

i want to be clear that the approach that our nation has taken to date is out of the ashes of columbine. we refer to it as an outside approach. what most schools did back then was try to secure a school from ingress, guns coming in and sro's and cameras can stop the guns but they can't stop the kids who bring in other weapons, weapons of bias, weapons of grudges from the neighborhood, values from home. we need to have a different approach. the approach we are talking about is a relational approach. it's an inside out approach, an approach really based on empowering young people not to be consumers but to be contributors in their own schools, not to be the problems but to be the solutions because clearly we've learned and know that we cannot legislate compassion and we cannot punish our children into being kind. we've tried. we've spent billions of dollars with policies that are punitive, not restoretive, policies that punish but don't give young people the opportunity to correct and to fix the harm. so one of the lessons that our organization, community matters, has done for 12 years ha

. >> this training is something we've been taking part in since columbine. ' our agency grows and new officers come in, it's important that we continue the training. >> they say the training is the key component of the year-long focus on preparing for any active shooting situations in the community. >>> governor jerry brown has issued 65 pardons on this day before easter. most were given to people convicted of selling or possessing drugs. but one convicted murderer was also pardoned. governor brown says all of those pardoned finished serving their sentences more than ten years ago and had not been in trouble since being released from prison. this is the second time the governor has announced pardons the day before a major christian pardons. for a list of the pardons go to our website. >>> authorities say two bay area men are suspects in a heist of more than a million dollars in gold nuggets. the sis cue county sheriff's office issued warrants for these two mean, david johnson and scott wayne bailey of el sobrante yesterday. we showed you surveillance video of the break-in back in febr

you look at columbine. 22 gun laws specifically. more than 100 laws were broken. if you add another one on there. is it going to fix the problem, no? >> i think if you are not prosecuting the guys, that is where i look at it and say, when they were dealing with mental health in washington, d.c. today. there is a huge loop hole, it is not the loop hole to buy gunning on the market. it is the loop hole of the mentally in sane people, now would that law fix it? probably not. i would rather have laws that have an impact right at this moment in time. >> we agree been a number of things. >> you are coming around. >> i haven't changed at all. >> i would like to see that reduced. but i think that this kind of debate is constructive. it worries me that i hear that vice president biden thinks we might not get background checks. >> if diane feinsteein would stop being so extreme which is not having the prosecution. you shoot somebody today and miss you spend 4.3 years and that is if you are a second time offender for assault in a deadly weapon. you tell me if that is a threa

just hours before the state legislature is going to vote, the columbine attack occurred there. i can go through lots of other cases, but in europe of the public shootings, even in switzerland but they allowed to consider kerry in many places is much easier than united states. a taxpayer have all occurred in very few places where guns are banned. they seem to seek out places within the dems can't defend themselves. the way to think about this is these people are committing suicides. you read their statement, look at the videotapes. they want to do so in a way that people will know who they are. the chilling to is they say explicitly that i could only kill more people than such a such attacks did, the killer was apparently comparing himself to the region killer and parent of the reason he picked the school with these young kids as he thought he could kill a lot of people without being stopped. so they think they can get by media coverage by going and killing the people in the array. nobody's out here saying we should get rid of the first amendment orban media outlet from going in

but when there's a columbine when there's a aurora shooting so we shouldn't you know all of the sudden then all of a sudden now we've got to do something doesn't make sense to me you know i agree we should do is you just sort of you know i mean i don't think that should have done this years ago but we should have done it a long time ago you're talking to i have been to probably more gun shows than anybody in this building put together i grew up around guns my father had a federal firearms dealers license growing up he was a sheriff and you know the activities that i did at a regular basis with my dad was shooting guns so you know there is a definite gun culture in this country i think the problem for progressives is that because it's foreign to them they don't know how to talk about guns in the first place and many progressives. either they've never shot one or they don't know the difference between the different types of guns or the different pieces of a gun whatever. and so we end up in this debate where on one side it's. no gun control whatsoever and on the other side it's we're goi

hook happened after the iran shooting, and after, mind -- and after the aurora shooting had after columbine. let's get this fixed. it will take rethinking these things. and what he was saying about -- the thing that was scary about people's anger and guns, i think on sales have gone up significantly since sandy hook. i think people are scared. but again, when you talk about gun control, a lot of people that we talked about in this issue made a very clear distinction between handguns, rifles, and automatic weapons. i personally have a lot of friends and relatives that own guns. you cannot say, let's eliminate guns in the same way you cannot say, let's eliminate violence, either on the street or the screen. but i would say to the caller, thanks for calling, and i hope it does not get as bad as he is predicting. he should get involved at the community level. talk to the police department, the sheriff's department, a mental health department, and say, how can i help stop the violence? you will not see results by the end of the month. you will see results hopefully soon, but it could take years.

. >> this training we have been taking part in since all the way back to columbine, but as our agencyws it's important that we tampa bay that style the training. >> police say it's at key component of the dext's yearlong focus on preparing for any active shooting situations in the community. >>> perhaps the greatest natural threat to the bay area is a massive earthquake. but as ktvu's allie rasmus shows us san francisco officials want residents to know about another earthquake- related danger, tsunamis. >> reporter: if a massive wave came crashing down on ocean beach, most people know which way they would run. >> definitely east. definitely east and get away from the ocean. >> reporter: but how far would you have to go to be safe? >> as far as mapping out a route from here to there, i can't say i have ever done it or even considered it. >> reporter: that is what these signs are for. >> anyplace in an inundation zone has signs up so that residents, neighbors and visitors who know what to do. >> reporter: coastal inned andations zones and in march of 2011, santa cruz took the brunt of t

issue for that state after last summer's movie theater massacre in aurora and school shooting at columbine. this is shaping up to be a close one and it could have a big impact on gun laws all across the country. dominic is live in los angeles with more on this story. >> reporter: you bet. the question is how much consensus to adopt these measures or will they make the rules from scratch. despite the debate yesterday they have begun in earnest when the husband of a former congresswoman gabrielle giffords laid the issues of background checks. >> we can't give criminals and mentally ill and buying a gun without a background check. it doesn't make any sense. it's like having two lines at the airport. here is one where you have to go through security and here is the one with no security. which one is the terrorist going to choose? >> reporter: and here what got advance today a final scheduled vote on monday. universal background checks, searches between private individuals and sales online and reducing the magazine size, shotgun magazines can't hold more than 28 shells and gun band accused of g