on time magazine we saw the columbine killers. why is this different?look at my twitter feed every single time there is a mass assault i'm out there tweeting, we have seen the mug shot, the person is in custody, you can get it go now. if somebody is a wanted man or woman, put their picture up to find them, or find out information about them but beyond crime-solving purposes there's no reason to do that. "rolling stone" could easily put one of heros on the cover or one of the survivors, and then back that up, you know, with an article the way it is. but i think the problem is they haven't tried, and until the media makes as strong of effort to promote the survivors or here rose as they do the killers, they can't make the argument well, if it leads, it leads. how do they know? >> i want to ask you a question. what about "rolling stone"'s argument that one of their reasons of putting him on the cover was to visually show that terrorists look like in many cases so many young americans. >> michael: because i think when you are on the cover of a magazine in t

reporting on the death in realtime of j.f.k., r.f.k., john lennon, the columbine tragedy, september 11allenger disaster and michael jackson's death. all these things, these seven different events, we know what is happening when we read this. these people who are just living their lives thinking it's an ordinary day don't know it's coming. when i read this, i feel like i'm some sort of time-traveling espy who is coming in sample other people's shock. i'm tasting their disbelief and the way... and the way it's changing them forever. i am tasting it while i read it. and it feels empiric. are you giving us a feast of other people's blood? >> these are the tragedies that mark our lives. >> stephen: why not go back to... (both talking at the same time). >> stephen: just forget they happened. >> they happened. stephen: just forget they happened so we can move on to happy days again. >> then we have things like the boston marathon bombing which could have made an 8th chap chapter of this book. >> stephen: what's the point to going back to looking at them? there will always be another one. >> w

the columbine killers in this landmark shooting were also on the cover of "time." >>> southern california's so-called mountain fire has quickly expanding. residents were allowed home to pick up only essential items, over 200 children were moved from nearby camp sites. you're seeing some charred-up vehicles and some of the damage left behind. nearly 300 firefighters are currently fighting the blaze, which is said to be only 15% contained. it has an extreme potential to grow further, more on this story with nbc meteorologist bill karins. >>> the cost of leaving afghanistan, it looks to getting more expensive. $1,000 for every shipping container leaving the country does not have the proper paperwork. the u.s. military has already accumulated $70 million in fines, that's a lot of bad paperwork. the u.s. will continue to rely on air transportation to move military equipment out of the country. >>> let's turn our attention to the business world now, where we get weekly unemployment numbers at 8:00 this morning. the tech-heavy nasdaq was the strongest of the three indices. bernanke said that the f

i do it because what happened in columbine should have happened in my neighborhood, and it did not. there was no one there for me when this happened to me. [applause] there were no counselors, and nobody come into my house to ask me questions about what happened. the already labeled my son in the papers as a gang member. they labeled him as a drug dealer. no be had came to me -- no media came to me to ask me about my child. the people in my community seamen visible -- seemed invisible, and that seems unfair. i do because i want to see justice. i want to look at the person who killed my son and asked him why. why did you kill my son? what was so -- what did he do that allow you to shoot him point blank with four bullets in the face? what would make you do such a thing? i want to meet the individual, to let him know i have already forgiven you. if i had not for giving you, i would not be here today. i have to forgive you, but i want to know why. why do i want to know why? i want to get you killed, too. kurds people -- hurt people hurt people. apparently, you are hurting. you had to be

i do it because what happened in columbine should have happened in my neighborhood, and it did not. there was no one there for me when this happened to me. [applause]

i want you to think about to the time after columbine and think what happened after that incident happened. there was a wave to put metal detectors in schools and all of this security. i will tell you folks in two different schools and having confiscated many weapons it wasn't a metal detector that brought it to my attention. it was a student. they were the most effective because they're ubiquitous. they are everywhere. they know who has what in the backpack and if you extrapolate that to bullying we can't be at home when they are logging in. students will know who posted what and if we can build the resiliency in the student body and move from the paradigm where it's okay to post those things and you're a big guy because you have a picture of a naked teeneen on your phone and to a culture it's not scpook you're hurting somebody and somebody will bring that to the attention of an adult that can intercede. i think that is what we're trying to develop and system and students understand it's not okay to hurt each other and whether it's words or pictures. that can only happen with what george

columbine, sandy hook i'm a hurricane sandy -- sandy hook, hurricane sandy. when someone feels empathy is always present in the media, but it does not get asked ended to the lived experience of african- americans in any way near the way it should. tavis: when i made it to the airport after appearing on the show yesterday and flew back to los angeles last night, i landed because i wanted to get to a screening of a movie that i'm sure you and others in the country have heard about called "fruitvale station" about the killing of oscar grant a few years ago in oakland. it is sort of the same situation, black young male being shot and killed by a white male under the color of enforcement or neighborhood watch, in this case, a bart officer. i got off the airplane and went he medially to the screening and i could not get out of my seat to the screening because i could not stop crying. i know the oscar grant very well, but i couldn't stop crying personally because the movie was so brilliant in connecting us to the humanity of oscar grant. give me a second here. i am

i want to be clear that the approach that our nation has taken to date is out of the ashes of columbine. we refer to it as an outside approach. what most schools did back then was try to secure a school from ingress, guns coming in and sro's and cameras can stop the guns but they can't stop the kids who bring in other weapons, weapons of bias, weapons of grudges from the neighborhood, values from home. we need to have a different approach. the approach we are talking about is a relational approach. it's an inside out approach, an approach really based on empowering young people not to be consumers but to be contributors in their own schools, not to be the problems but to be the solutions because clearly we've learned and know that we cannot legislate compassion and we cannot punish our children into being kind. we've tried. we've spent billions of dollars with policies that are punitive, not restoretive, policies that punish but don't give young people the opportunity to correct and to fix the harm. so one of the lessons that our organization, community matters, has done for 12 years ha

. >> they are more polite but things shifted after columbine and we are now a nation that is not onlyof children but raging. john: water redoing that is harmful? >> we no longer call kids to bet when they fail us test but when they make a mistake we give them a lal you are a bully and conversely you are a victim that is just as dangerous because yo give them the message the identity comes from pain and weakness. john: bk to the basketball coach that evil thing he did the coach is too extreme things to get extreme response as i was an athlete and although my coach never said words but what that guy did was abused hi power and that is the standard definition of bullying. i think he was a bad coac and probably neded a lot of discipline. john: but the reaction went too far? >> let me tell you as soon as we use the term billy we have license to get enraged with whver we give the term to. john: you argue that coaches are supposed to be tough and athletes perform better? >> i would have performed there well if my coach said you are so great. john: so it is okay? >> not his but i thi you'll g

. >> they are more polite but things shifted after columbine and we are noa nation that is not only fearful but raging. john: water redoing that is harmful? >> we no longer call kids to bet when they fail us test but when they make a mistake wegive them a label you are a bully and conversely you are a victim that is just as dangerous because you give them the message the identycomes from pain and weakness. john: back to the basketball coach that evil thing he did the coach is too extreme things to get extreme response as i was an athlete and although my coach never said words but what that guy did was abused his power and that is the standard definition of bullying. i think he was a bad coach and probably needed a lot of discipline. john: but the reaction went too far? let me tell you as soon as we use the term billy we have license to get enraged with whoever we give the term to. john: you aue that coaches are supposed to be tough and athles perform better? i would have performed there well if my coach said you are so great. john: so it is okay? >> not his but i think you'll get people to

there was a game called super columbine massacre there was an app called dan lothian can lick my. you know you get the point there are so many apps and games built around bloody tragedies making money off of horrific event that's capitalism at its greedy best for you. the argument used to be that violent video games created killers but now it's the other way around we'll take a with one man's tragedy being another is entertainment and yet another cash cow has the internet and technology turns us all into callous jerks detached from reality or are we using these apps and games as a way to process our feelings toward a really screwed up world either way if you find yourself playing as game based on someone else's tragedy you might want to spend some time trying to figure out why you're ok with it but don't worry i'm sure there's an app for that. tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the rest. all right and that's going to do it for me for tonight but for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash our to america. today on politicking turmoil in e

with reading, writing and -- >> ben, there were of course, as you know there were armed guards at columbineia tech, fort hood, the base was swimming in them. >> right. >> there is no evidence it makes any difference. when you have people -- >> too far away. >> i come back to my point and mary's point, it's chicken and the egg. what you have to do is make it far more difficult for these mass shooters to get hands on killing machines. bring in universal background checks. ban high capacity magazines. man assault rifles. do something to try and make it more -- >> and you and i look -- >> your answer is what you do after the event. it's like well they are going to come anyway, so let's arm everybody else. it's the wild west. >> it's not the wild west -- >> can explain -- >> i have to respond to that, piers. >> hold on, let ben respond to me and mary have the last word. >> when you look at school shootings in america today, at some of these locations there were a armed guard and unfortunately it was too far away or the police were too far away to take out the threat at that moment. we saw that i

. >> these mass murders, on average we've had four a year since columbine. and last year we had 15.things don't seem to be going in the right direction. >> we've had a lot of discussions, and we're hoping we get some meaningful legislation out of this. it's time to take some action and not just make some promises. >> teresa and dave are here to demand action. and for the first time in a long time, there is a chance they might actually be heard. over the next few months, americans would see a slew of new legislative proposals about guns. >> my colleagues and i are introducing a bill to prohibit the sale, transfer, manufacture, and importation of assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices that can accept more than ten rounds. >> overwhelming majorities of americans, americans who believe in the second amendment have come together around common sense reform. >> it's time for congress and the white house to put public health above special interest politics. >> and then finally a bill was put forth in the senate with nine amendments regarding gun control and safety. on

when a white person does something bad in columbine or what have you, that does not reflect on all ofst mind on how our behavior reflects on all of us. >> again, he made certain assumptions about this young man based on his color. and it seemed to me what the defense was trying to say was it's okay that he did that. because all these others had been in this neighborhood. >> you assume that he's a criminal. >> and that's criminal that they did that. >> indeed. >> i wish we had more time, but thank you so much. we're going to take a quick break. we're going to be right back with a live report from kerry sanders in sanford, florida. stay with us. ♪ you're not made of money, so don't overpay for boat insurance. geico, see how much you could save. >>> we continue to follow the trial of george zimmerman. kerry sanders is following breaking news out of sanford, florida. what's the latest? >> right now, those who were summoned to the courtroom, they remain in the courtroom as the clerk is working on a request that the jury has made. and the jury requested an inventory list of the evidence by

>> well, i think it's interesting after columbine, the nra said that there should be no guns in school think that is interesting that their mine has changed on this. i think adding guns to schools will create a less safe environment. statistics show that a gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in homicide, accidental shooting and suicide. so i feel that the risk involved in having a gun in a school are far greater than the benefit. >> so what are the answers? because, i mean, you certainly understand the disquiet that was caused to say the least for parents who thought they could send their kids and you've talked to the parents from newtown, i've talked to the parents from newtown, a day like any other day, you drop your kids off at school and you assume they are safe and what happened was so horrific. what is the answer then? >> the answer is background checks. if we try to prevent guns from being in the wrong hands in the first place then we won't need to arm our schools. >> how do you change this? 90% of americans after newtown wanted background checks. republicans came

. >> these mass murders, on average we've had four a year since columbine. and last year we had 15.t seem to be going in the right direction. >> we've had a lot of discussions, and we're hoping we get some meaningful legislation out of this. it's time to take some action and not just make some promises. >> teresa and dave are here to demand action. and for the first time in a long time, there is a chance they might actually be heard. over the next few months, americans would see a slew of new legislative proposals about guns. >> my colleagues and i are introducing a bill to prohibit the sale, transfer, manufacture, and importation of assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices that can accept more than ten rounds. >> overwhelming majorities of americans, americans who believe in the second amendment have come together around common sense reform. >> it's time for congress and the white house to put public health above special interest politics. >> and then finally a bill was put forth in the senate with nine amendments regarding gun control and safety. one of the am

. >> these mass murders, on average we've had four a year since columbine, and last year we had 15.'t seem to be going in the right direction. we've had a lot of discussions, and we're hoping we get some meaningful legislation out of this. it's time to take some action and not just make some promises. >> teresa and dave are here to demand action. for the first time in a long time, there's a chance they might actually be heard. over the next few months, americans would see a slew of new legislative proposals about guns. >> my colleagues and i are introducing a bill to prohibit the sale, transfer, manufacturer, and importation of assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices that can accept more than ten rounds. >> overwhelming majorities of americans, americans who believe in the second amendment, have come together around common sense reform. >> it's time for congress and the white house to put public health above special interest politics. >> and then, finally, a bill was put forth in the senate with nine amendments regarding gun control and safety. one of the amend

time magazine but the columbine shooters on its person and joseph stalin person of the year.t this subject. >> they're not so much upset that he's on the cover but they seem to glam orrize him. it's one thing to make it a cover story, it's another thing to row manhu size him. >> wall street's top market pros will weigh in on your money coming up next. if you're serious about taking your trading to a higher level, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 then schwab is the place to trade. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 call 1-888-284-9410 or visit schwab.com/trading to tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 learn how you can earn up to 300 commission-free online trades tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 for six months with qualifying net deposits. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 see how easy and intuitive it is to use tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 our most powerful platform, streetsmart edge. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 we put it in the cloud so you can use it on the web. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 and trade with our most advanced tools tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 on whatever computer you're on. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 also, get a dedicated team of schwab trading specialists tdd#

also today, there were many people that came, not only from aurora, but people from columbine and some from newtown. we talked to one young man who was in the theater at the time. gentleman by the name of steve barton, one year later, he still vividly remembers what happened. >> i remember a canister of gas flying through the theater, landing kind of in the center, and as that detonated, there was this flash of light from the front right emergency exit and this huge booming noise echoing off the walls. and, you know, it looked and smelled and seemed like fireworks, and i thought someone was playing a prank or, you know, i couldn't really see the figure behind the gun. but, you know, suddenly i kind of felt this immense pressure against my body and against my neck in particular and i knew in that instance i had been shot. and i knew exactly what was going on. there was someone in the auditorium, trying to kill me and trying to kill my friends. >> reporter: and he was shot in the neck and the chest with a shotgun blast. one of first people to be shot. he's made a full recovery physically

. >>> the shootings of columbine and sandy hook, they called for gun control and they held a counterally nearby by gun supporters. >> it's a tragedy we have to have rememberances like this. if one person had a concealed carry, james holmes would have been dead. >> the remembrance rally was sponsored by mayors against illegal guns. >>> the new law is in place in venezuela banned guns in public spaces in meeting halls and buses, they believe criminals will ignore the new law like they do all other laws. venezuela's murder rate is one of the high nest the world. >>> six flags amusement park in texas, what they saw when the woman fell from the tallest roller coaster. >> and the woman who use add fake injury to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from victims. let's take you outside, the sun is shining over 24, no traffic out there as you head into san francisco. >>> good morning san jose, the clouds are clearing from your skies, mostly sunny for today 84 degrees expected this afternoon. your time is now 8:14 and long term white house correspondent helen thomas has died. thomas was alw

firing in the crowd they hit five bystanders they didn't hit the car but this is not in a school in columbine there were two armed guards both had armed loaded weapons you know which way they ran when they heard the shots away and where the teachers or administrators allowed to carry guns it doesn't matter that the evil it was the brain to to carry guns out of there not teachers or administrators should have a right to express their civil rights to the second amendment i am sorry austin if you've never been a firefighter you've never been you've never had a loaded gun pointed at you you know you don't get it it's like i grew up in the mean streets of a killer missouri. i've been on the edge a war zone i've seen people shot it is. well enough. it's going to push it. in other news in the wake of the supreme court's decision to strike down the defense of marriage act as well as its ruling effectively ending california's gay marriage ban social issues are once again dominating the political conversation progressive's this is of course a good thing for the first time in history a majority of ameri

where he is from in the primary school where 17 people were killed very similar to what happened in columbineook -- patti ann: right. sorry, but -- that was jim gray. i'm sorry to cut you off and, yes, it was a very compelling story about andy murray's childhood, but we're losing your signal. thank you very much for joining us through skype. gregg: maybe knighthood is in andy's future. patti ann: we'll see. gregg: too low, too slow, that's the early word on what may have caused flight 214 to crash. the ordeal leaving two people dead, nearly 200 hospitalized with injuries. we're live on the ground in san francisco with the latest on the investigation. patti ann: new england patriots fans are waiting in long line to get rid of their aaron hernandez jerseys. the patriots pro shop is allowing them to exchange items for other team memorabilia. many fans say they can not support the former player in light of the murder charge against him. >> what were you thinking when you bought it, you know? why hernandez? >> just he was a good player. we were fans. we're fans of the team. we're fans of hernandez