he just turned 17. >> reporter: columbine was the first mass school shooting.hers. >> every time i get a phone call informing me that there had been a shooting, i'm thinking not again. >> reporter: other parents and teachers and communities who need healing. >> the thing that allowed me to get through this, i can could not allow hatred to build up inside of me. because i if i did it would just consume and i wouldn't be here today. >> and one promise more, that even in retirement, they will be in his thoughts every day. barry petersen, cbs news, littleton, colorado. >> the girl scouts of america have been around for 102 years but the last ten years have not been easy. the group has lost more than 700,000 members since 2003. dropping their ranks from 2.9 million to 2.2. to fix that they are launching a new recruitment campaign starting today using social media, neighborhood outreach and a message from first lady michelle obama. >> as a girl scout volunteer you can show girls that anything is possible. and you can inspire them to dream bigger and go further than t

but columbine is no ode high school. was seared into a nation's memory on april 20th, 1999. >> two columbine students opened fire on their classmates killing 12 students and a teacher. it haunts him still. >> the parents entrusted their children to me. i felt i let them down. and that day i watched frank run towards gunfire. >> reporter: english teacher kiki leyba went through the shooting and its aftermath. physically he was fine. emotionally -- >> i was coming part. and i went to him and i said boss, i don't know if i can do this. i could see the hurt on hois face. >> he stayed with and they stayed with them and we helped rebuild this community. >> reporter: now the principal who helped lead the healing. >> have a good weekend, be safe. >> reporter: is about to retire. >> pretty emotional when i think about it? >> reporter: why? >> oh, man, he's just been a rock. >> de angelis's office is a frame shop of memories from his early teaching days to the memorials after the shooting that brought president's clinton here, to

we have columbine, aurora, the navy yard shooting. where do we go from here?>> i understand where the navy is going from here, i understand that they're going to head up a review at the pentagon to figure out what has to be done and what can be done. what everyone is talking about in the law enforcement community, the mental health community is everyone taking a closer look at what is happening, why it's happening, and asking themselves the question of what can i do to stop it. that's the one thing that i think all across the board is being done in the national security community. the question what can i do to make a difference? >> kim, you have devoted much of your life now for change. what changes would you like to see when it comes to gun control. >> the easiest change that could happen tomorrow is expanding background check system. this could greatly reduce gun violence across the country. we need to look at what the criteria are that disqualifies a person from getting a gun. aaron alexis should not have gotten a gun. he passed the pass ground check even t

and we have the author of the book "columbine." i want you to talk about -- before that, though, i was gutted by this report today about him calling the authorities and saying people were vibrating his bed and he was hearing voices. because one of the rituals that we go through in this horrific national pattern of watching mass shooting happen is we talk about mental health. and sometimes it seems actually not that grounded in the facts of the matter. it's just one of the things we do to make sense of it. now we think we're looking at someone who is genuinely mentally ill and we all recognize he needs help. >> in fact i have a public apology i need to make about one thing. i did not refer to him by name, but as the goon that did this, and was meetly chastised for that. the point my mentor dr. aukberg said, we have to treat these people differently when they turn out to be mentally ill. clearly in this case, he was. we need to put them in a whole different category, treat them much more simple threatically, people are going to hate

author of "columbine." >> i'd like to start with you, this is obviously not the first time we've had you on the show. each time it bears mentioning we should be patient in terms of why people do things like this. given the fragments of biographical information we have thus far, what do you make of alexis and the kind of person he might have been? >> well, it's actually really early to comment on that. i think we have some ideas, but it can be irresponsible to talk too much about those. i do have kind of a different idea of one thing that all these people have in common, which is they are seeking attention. they are always lashing out. they want to be heard, seen, known. here is something i haven't talked about on your show before, haven't talked publicly except at some seminars, i think we in the media have to look at our own role in this, because the fact that we cover these things, we put them on stage. we make, call them a hero, anti-hero, something, we give him a starring role in this. i don't think it's realistic to say we've got to stop doing this or cut back on coverage, i don

columbine had already happened like five months before that. there were quite a few similarities between my case and that, like i was wearing a trench coat. >> and behind some murders, a person you thought you could trust. >> i just remember when i woke up, first thing i said was, today is the day. >> more americans are incarcerated today than ever before, and now when we go behind the walls of maximum security prisons, we see a greater cross section of inmates than ever. >> i mean, obviously they're the ones that the moment you meet them, you know they're dangerous and belong in prison, but we're also finding more and more inmates who have committed murder who look like the guy next door, just an average, normal guy, and it's really left us puzzled. i mean, what would lead a guy like this to kill someone? >> at 27 years old, adam drake looks more like a college dorm resident than a maximum security prison inmate. >> you seem awful happy and perky. >> i am always happy and perky. >> but when we met him at the limon correctional facility in colo

that puts today's incident in washington on par with the columbine shooting in 1999 or the aurora, colorado, movie theater shooting last summer or the binghamton, new york, shooting in 2009 at the immigration center there, and of course, the ft. hood shooting that took place later that same year, seven months later. until we know more about why this happened and how this happened today, it's hard to know whether to put this as the latest in a list of workplace mass shootings or the latest in a list of random mass shootings committed by the insane or the latest in a list of terrorist mass shootings committed by perpetrators who thought they had a point or that they were on a mission of some kind. initial reports that this was an incident involving multiple shooters today led to the supposition that this could have been a coordinated attack and that it, therefore, could more likely be a terrorist incident. but the multiple-shooter thesis from earlier in the day does not seem at all clear tonight. soon after announcing that they were seeking two other people in addition to the shooter, who was

they were moved to a new town, aurora, columbine.the mass shootings we have seen in this country that draws the question what are we doing to protect our children and our community and our neighbors. are we asking the right questions? talking to the gun manufacturers and the people you can buy guns from. that is the question we have to ask ourselves. it is not about confiscating all the guns on the street. martha: i remember there was all this discussion about three elements that needed to be discussed, mental health system, the videogame connection that all these people have. he would sit for 16 hours mindlessly playing video games. i might point out and i will say again we have to do something about that. not all kids will do something because they play violent video games but you have to put these things together. those same people should not be having guns in their hands. it is a bad combination and we have to address it. martha: we have some breaking news, we will have you back again. thank you very much for being here today. bi

there are just so many going back to columbine and aurora and fort hood and newtown. everyone knows the drill. we show up and cover the victim families. then quickly we move on. >> well, we didn't really quote, move on. just on monday alone i spent 14 hours on the street. >> i am talking about by later in the week it seemed like another story competing with other stories. where in earlier tragedies we dominated the news, the boston bombing for weeks. i grapple with this -- maybe because it happened here, but i grapple with it and i don't want it to become routine. >> there is a judgment call and a balance. what happened to these families is terrible. we spend a lot of time on this network and even no commercial breaks and i suspect other networks did it as well. there are other issues that affect the american people whether it is the continuing resolution and the debt ceiling and syria and the gassing, it is a judgment call. the fact we move to another topic doesn't mean we don't give a damn or it is unimportant. it is our effort in a limited amount of time which is w

clinical psychologist dwayne fuselier was the fbi's lead columbine investigator. >> when i first sawhat adamcik and draper made, i was astounded at how similar they seemed in their actions to what i had seen harris and klebold doing on their videotapes. the same themes seemed to be coming out. i think the perfect ending would be a school shooting. >> that would be a perfect ending, yes, it would, but we'd need guns. >> that would just jack up our kills so much. >> i guarantee i could kill 20 people like that. >> brian draper even mentions klebold and harris on the tape. >> dylan klebold. >> this sort of documenting is just eerily similar to harris and klebold's tapes that they want to be famous for their evil deed. >> we are going to go down in history. we're going to be just like "scream" except real life terms. we're going to be murderers like ted bundy, like the hillside strangler, the zodiac killer. >> no, those people are more amateurs compared to what we're going to be. >> he's craving infamy, all four boys seem to want the excitement and exhilaration that is an extreme high fo

history, the columbine high school shooting and last year's aurora theater massacre. passing stricter gun control laws activists vowed to make colorado lawmakers pay the price at the polls. it didn't take long for them to make good on those threats. >> an historic and first ever recall vote in colorado pitted citizen against citizen as well as two of the nation's post powerful gun lobby groups against each other. bloomberg's mayors against illegal guns versus the national rifle association, both groups spending millions to sway voters. ultimately voters sent a stern message to two state senators, both democrats, who supported the new gun laws. you're fired. >> i love you. >> state senator thank lan herone that represented a democratic district and morris were both booted. >> if passing gun safety legislation costs me my political career, it is such a small price to pay. the families of gun violence victims pay a huge price every single day. >> among the laws, one limiting ammunition magazines to 15 rounds, another requiring universal background checks and a third that

if it's set with 7 large columbine emerald over 1 hundred and 87 carrots. it's known in bully as the 7 wonders because it was and still is considered one of the finest jewelers every created. it's wonderful for the 7 emeralds perfectly matched in size, shape and a color. it was sold in the 1960s to a wife of a italian industrial i thought and brought back for the collection. now what you've seen from the jewels that the bully jewels i've shown they continue to be independent to the high trends of jeweler. they were mount in platinum and the colored gives me were employed individually in association with the diamonds and not combined with other colored give me stones. emerald were mounted that diamonds and rubbing i didn't see were mounted with diamond and so forth. there are some rather hints of a future trend and if one looks carefully for example, at this sapphire and a diamond necklace one can see it's mounted are gemstones the sapphires are polished and this is a sense of roundness and this will be a characteristic of bully jewels. likewise, the bracele

everything changed after columbine. i used to teach how to the put together an active shooter team.er a team and you go in. that's the protocol. >> no longer let's wait it out and see what happens. >> everybody is trained to do that now. >> incredible. >> mike, thanks so much. give our best to your former colleagues here in d.c. now another big question we're asking today. that question is this. are budget cuts, talked about that a lot here in washington, budget cuts compromising security at military facilities like the navy yard here? we will take a closer look at that next. >>> welcome back to cnn special live coverage outside the navy yard here in washington, d.c. i'm jake tapper here with brooke baldwin as the investigation and the shooting moves forward, many questions are being raised. one of them is did the navy drop its guard in order to reduce costs. the soon to be released government audit is pointing in that direction. one congressman is looking for answers. >> shortly after this event, this tragedy occurred, an inspector general report was delivered to congress that cite

columbine, he mentioned, post offices, day care centers, other schools... universities. why are we removing my teacher's right to protect themselves and the children that are in their care? >> these school shootings are more than just gun policy issues. these are mental health issues and these are school policy issues. it's not a one trick pony. you're going to give guns to kids and you're not going to have any problems anymore. because once that student comes in there with the intention to kill with firearms, he's going to kill somebody. you know? and if you get to that point, you're already lost. and unless you are on the same level knowing that someone's about to come in and shoot you and you're ready to shoot back, you're at a disadvantage. and what kind of learning environment, what kind of classroom situation is productive, is educational, when you have students who are thinking about shooting the person that comes in the door? you know, when the police come into a situation like that, how are they going to determine who is the good guy and who's the bad guy? you t

a forensic pathologist thought received these drugs and died, 20 people, that's like in between columbinetest shooting, mass shootings in newtown. >> jon: you live in a dark, dark place. >> so i'm saying we need preparedness. these are the stakesment but you know, they felt like at that point they were doing something merciful. >> jon: i thought it was interesting when they came out, everybody sort of, you know, it's like at the end of that disaster movie, they always climb out of the overturned ship to the sunlight. and they all were like they took like a vow to never talk about it. and to say, and nothing happened, we will never talk about this. >> thank you for saying that. it is like a code of silence because they were afraid of being a doctor ended up getting arested and accused of ended up killing the patients. i think it all comes down to in a disaster do we think that exceptional times are times when we-- you know, should let some of our moral values slip or is it a time when we want to hold even more tightly to our deepest moral values. and i don't think the doctors-- . >> jon: h

so in columbine, for example, erik harris was very arrogant and really held himself in high regard. and this shooter yesterday may be less so. so it's degrees. but when you start to look at the behavior and how they're going to rectify their life, those are the common threads. but they're not all cookie cutter personalities and i think it's also important to point out if they do have mental health issues they all don't have the same mental health issue. and so, you know, i know there's talk about rounding up all the people that have mental health issues and keeping guns out of their hands and the question is, well, who do you round up? the depressed ones? how about the psychopath i can ones? so we have to recognize their differences but we also want to recognize their commonalties and i think from that that i agree with tim and john, there has to be a wrap around approach to how we address this. it's no longer just a law enforcement problem issue. >> i mean, one of the questions is how does an individual like alexis fly under the radar screen no? so let's take it on paper-- which is

. >> that happened at columbine, fort hood, tuscon, it happens in almost all of these shootings, whereple don't know what to do, they hunker down under the desk and hopes the shooter doesn't see them. the sheerer walks along and has an easy shot. >> if you're hiding and end up in a place where you can't get out what do do you? >> shut the door, lock the door, turn off the lights. silence your phones. they come in and shoot and hit a moving target at less than 4%. if they come up under your desk, they're not going to miss. >> in a parking garage, a pillow like this can provide you a place to escape and no way the bullet will get through this concrete. >> like you said, always better to run away and live to fight another day. >> absolutely, yep. >> thank you, debra. >>> right now, six people stood behind bars facing charges of a stabbing death of denny diaz. among them, 19-year-old diandra samuels. detectives say she robbed him and showed up at his home looking for revenge. during a fight, detectives say samuels stabbed diaz to death. tonight, samuels is charged with murder. a viewing is

i want you to think about to the time after columbine and think what happened after that incident happened. there was a wave to put metal detectors in schools and all of this security. i will tell you folks in two different schools and having confiscated many weapons it wasn't a metal detector that brought it to my attention. it was a student. they were the most effective because they're ubiquitous. they are everywhere. they know who has what in the backpack and if you extrapolate that to bullying we can't be at home when they are logging in. students will know who posted what and if we can build the resiliency in the student body and move from the paradigm where it's okay to post those things and you're a big guy because you have a picture of a naked teeneen on your phone and to a culture it's not scpook you're hurting somebody and somebody will bring that to the attention of an adult that can intercede. i think that is what we're trying to develop and system and students understand it's not okay to hurt each other and whether it's words or pictures. that can only happen with what george

haven't seen in generations past, and i think ranging from them growing up with instances like 9/11, columbine virginia tech, some of the more prominent mental health and tragic situations have really just caused young adults to grow up in a different environment, in a different world. and at the same time, there's more awareness around mental health issues, and there's some more talking about it. and so young adults are little more knowledgeable about what they may be going through, what friends may be going through, a little more willing to seek help and to help the friends around them. and vanna, beyond the mental health challenges, or the mental health problems that they may face, there's also issues with illicit drugs and alcohol use? yes, there's both. young people are using prescription drugs and cocaine and heroin at higher rates at this young age, and they're starting younger, as well, meaning by the time they get to young adulthood, they've already used for a number of years. well for alcohol, for example, among the 18- to 20-year-olds, it's 31.2 percent, and it really, really escala

after all dating back to the days of columbine every mass shooting involves somebody that appears to be dressed the same way. >> we always call it, there is a term, called uniforming. these individuals want to get in uniform just like a police officer or a military person. part of their preparatory step is obtaining the clothing, the vests if they have vests to get that attire to put them in the proper mindset to carry out these attacks and certainly we are seeing many of these individuals, the first reports coming out say he looked like a tactical officer, it looks like a military officer or military type weapons. these people are preparing, they're costuming in preparation for their attack. >> john matthews, thank you very much. throughout the morning our mike viqueira first raced to the sceefn in -- scene in his car then he jumped on metro. he is live. what is the latest information that you are receiving right now? >> del, this from the u.s. navy in a tweet just a few seconds ago. shelter in place order remains in place at the navy yard. the navy yard just about three blocks behi

. >> the columbine high school. >> and it completely occupied the u.s. press.o during the latter half of the campaign, there was no publicity in the united states, and president clinton got off easy to be honest in that respect. scout's always a problem, you want to present a strong force. you want to present unbreakable resolve. but when you do so, you frighten your own country or your allies. >> people are paying attention to the polls right now and the push back it has gotten. >> there is a push back is entirely normal. i would say that what was abnormal was the fervor for invading iraq. in 2003. there was no reason to do this. standing back and looking at it. sue dam hussein wasn't part of the 9/11, nor was he an immediate threat to the united states, and he was being contained. so secretary of state knew this, he just couldn't break through the group that wanted to finish gulf war, and get rid of sudden dam hussein. they viewed iraq as the first in a number of states they would knock off in the region, and when they didn't find chemical weapons in iraq, th

and often disasters draw our attention to places we'd never heard of before like pearl harbor or columbine or syria. but let's look at this way i don't exactly know where person's kidneys are or how exactly they work so by all normal logic that means i'm not qualified to have an opinion about whether we should remove john doe's kidneys my opinion doesn't count because i am kidney ignorant so if you know so little about syria that you can't even find it on a map then you are more likely to believe from a guy in a suit on t.v. that there must be an intervention to save the people there you have no idea who they are or why they are suffering or how to save them but crushed out of that intervention sounds nice knowing at least where a country is on the map as the first step in building informed opinion but that's just my opinion. hello and welcome to on the money with the business of russia.

there was nor debate on these bills than the gun bills done 13 year ago after columbine when the republicans were in session. in fact, twice as much. we didn't shut down debate at all. we split the debate between an hour and a half on each side. each side got to manage their debate. the republicans decided to manage theirs in such way. >> but senator, you outspent the recall people 5-to-one. >> that's nonsense. >> and here is whitewater your colleague -- former colleague also voted out. she said two weeks ago, for mayors against illegal guns, the bloomberg group, if they lose even one of these seats, they might as well fold it up. how is this not a referendum on your gun legislation? >> because 80% of the people approve of what we have done. and what we have done is minimal and common sense. >> so you were blaming turnout. >> right. >> turnout alone for why you and your colleague were recalled from the state senate. >> i'm blaming turnout for why i was recalled from the state senate, absolutely. >> it's disappointing that we can't suggest the policy had anything to do with this nor the misso

i want to be clear that the approach that our nation has taken to date is out of the ashes of columbine. we refer to it as an outside approach. what most schools did back then was try to secure a school from ingress, guns coming in and sro's and cameras can stop the guns but they can't stop the kids who bring in other weapons, weapons of bias, weapons of grudges from the neighborhood, values from home. we need to have a different approach. the approach we are talking about is a relational approach. it's an inside out approach, an approach really based on empowering young people not to be consumers but to be contributors in their own schools, not to be the problems but to be the solutions because clearly we've learned and know that we cannot legislate compassion and we cannot punish our children into being kind. we've tried. we've spent billions of dollars with policies that are punitive, not restoretive, policies that punish but don't give young people the opportunity to correct and to fix the harm. so one of the lessons that our organization, community matters, has done for 12 years ha