so we were very much caught off from post columbine how the community responded. we were in our own the world the isolation of the year and sticking close to family and friends though the magnitude of trauma of the community is something i cannot even begin to comprehend or to explain. every time i walked into a room or doctor's office i didn't want anyone to know zero who live was but to some degree to greet exist today. and i continued to be where the teacher died or the trauma lives on the still experience ptsd to cause them great pain expense and hardship it is too huge for me to even comprehend. and the journey of where you are now with the journey they have gone through through, where are you today? >> guest: i tend to believe that dylan was there and died because of technology. it because of that was a victim of the tragedy in this is also true for eric they feel i am making an excuse for my son but it is what i have come to believe after all of the research i have done. it is a very difficult type of grief that we ever really get over or get past it. but i

one of the things people tend to forget about columbine is columbine was a copy catted situation. >> the book is about your journey and reflecting on it. can you talk about your lessons? talk about what you learned from the journey you have been on and what you learned. >> this is going to sound fragmented but they are disjointed. one thing i learned is love is not enough to protect people we love from illness and that illness may be mental or a brain illne illness. i think i believed you could love away someone's bad thoughts. another thing i feel i learned was probably bad advice and that is never trust what you see. what you see may be a lie. someone you love may be working very hard to wear a mask that hides what he is thinking and feeling. always be aware of that because it will change the way you interact. i think things i learned about myself more than anything else, i learned from the nature of a tragedy that is complex, and i had the learn on many things not to focus on and how the real work is finding your way back to the grief of the individual you loved that did a terribl

nobody's buying the guns used in columbine. you know why? because it's a horrible thing to do.ence between that case and the difference between this case is a black life. >> yeah. and he was a teenage child and he did not deserve what he got, and it's just appalling. (applause) >> it's true. there is an ambiguity. like, was trayvon martin a kid, a man? he was 17 years old. >> he was a child. but in columbine and handy hook, we're sure they're children, and i think that benefit of the doubt was given to george zimmerman in this case. >> larry: no one actually bought the gun, you know. >> i bet somebody would have. they took it down or somebody would have. >> i also feel so badly for trayvon martin's family because every single time this sort of -- can can i say a bad word? >> larry: yes. this (bleep) comes up, every time he does, and he tries to gain notoriety from this horrible thing he did, they have to relive over and over and over again. and why isn't trayvon martin trending? why is it always george zimmerman? >> yes. (applause) >> by the way, i would just add in the audienc

klebold, mother of dylan klebold, discussed mental health and how she dealt with the tragedy of columbine. in the coming weeks on "after words," we discuss criminal justice reform and the there are's 19 years in prison. tamara drought will talk about network's new working -- america's new working class. also coming up, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will look back on his life and career in politics. and this weekend don watkins, fellow at the ayn rand institute, will argue that measures to alleviate income inequality actually end up hurting low income americans. >> the real insight of the enlightenment thinkers like the founders was each of us is equal and the fact that we have equal rights. and so the government's job is not to rule us, it's to be our servant, the servant, the protector of our rights. but what happens when it protects our rights equally? what happens when it protects your freedom the same that it protects mine? we're going to create different amounts of wealth because we have different abilities, we make different choices, we, you know, some of us want to go and

columbine had already happened like five months before that. there's quite a few similarities between my case and that, like i was wearing a trench coat. >> and behind some murders, a person you thought you could trust. >> i just remember when i woke up, first thing i said was, today is the day. >> more americans are incarcerated today than ever before, and now when we go behind the walls of maximum security prisons, we see a greater cross-section of inmates than ever. >> i mean, obviously they're the ones that the moment you meet them, you know they're dangerous and belong in prison, but we're also finding more and more inmates who have committed murder who look like the guy next door, just an average, normal guy, and it's really left us puzzled. i mean, what would lead a guy like this to kill someone? >> at 27 years old, adam drake looks more like a college dorm resident than a maximum security prison inmate. >> you seem awful happy and perky. >> i'm always happy and perky. >> but when we met him at the limon correctional facility in colorado

the virtual simulation system is real as it gets for cops for situations like columbine.back and watch the lieut. and her daughter go through a shooting at a school where there was an active shooter. these ladies are pros. walk through their every move. >> the shot is taken. i give it my best shot. bill: out of that go? >> i am still shaking from it. >> our simulation, you become nervous at every noise you here. a lot of respect for men and women in uniform. that is like, you cannot judge until you are in that situation. i felt like my whole the world was literally turned upside down. halfway through i realized i shot an innocent woman. >> you have to identify what you're shooting. he just shot her. regardless of the legality of it, you have to live with yourself. you took someone's mom, sister. >> we don't have a lot of time. >> the atlantic city police expo command i did some suggest -- simulations. the scene is so frantic. quick thinking heroes. >> the training you went through makes me have less respect for cops to shoot innocent people. bill: there are enough people

reporter: the brighten school district is less than an hour away from littleton, colorado where the columbine massacre took place. >>> puppies on demand. adorable little pets will be hitting the ride with uber today. >>> the fallout continues with the enlighten water crisis. those stories and more when "action news" is right back. >>> good morning, it is 5:00 a.m., thursday, may 19. breaking on "action news." the disappearance of an egypt air flight. officials believe it crashed in the mediterranean sea while traveling from paris to cairo. >>> gunshots leaves a man fighting for his life. now police are looking for the person who pulled the trigger. >>> a reading police officer is expected to turn himself in in connection with the confrontation over a woman who was recording him on her cell phone. >>> let's go over to david murphy and find out what accuweather is like today, and karen rogers has the commute. >> reporter: overall it's going to be a nice one. storm tracker 6 live double scan shows you over south jersey and delaware there are lingering showers from overnight. they are trying to g

. >>> district is about an hour from little ton, colorado where the columbine high school massacre tookce. it has suspended students for bringing in guns made of foam. >>> welcome back chopper 6 hd over breaking news coming from fairmont park kelly drive near sedgely drive. take a look at the maroon suv with the police car next to it and tow trucks around it. about a half-hour ago, that car for some reason had an accident involving i felt, flipped over, the driver crawled out of the vehicle and checked out at the scene and doing okay. as you can see they have the vehicle back up right, but karen is telling us it's causing a delay on kelly drive. if this is your route you may want to go over to king drive instead. >>> pennsylvania governor tom wolf will sign a measure expanding the state's ignition lock law. the measure passed unanimously yesterday, under the bill, the first time convicted illegal alcohol driver could drive with this for one year. >>> super-storm sandy homeowner who was waiting for construction the house which was elevated for the repairs had broken over the risers and t

if we look at a murder suicide touches the columbine tragedy, murder suicide is a small subset of suicidality, perhaps will result in the killing of someone else. so my recommendation is that we focus very much on trying to understand suicide in trying to prevent suicide so that these things don't erupt into a terrible tragedy. you didn't ask why this happened and in the book i talk about the more effective question to ask is how does this happen? what is the mechanism through which one thinking deteriorate. the way i have come to explain this to myself is really a medical model. if we look at suicide it can iterate to be a health risk as we would heart disease or diabetes, we know that there are many factors involved. the personality and how the person interacts, views his world, there are biological factors that shows someone might have a tendon due to think or act or eat or live in a certain way. there are environmental factors and that is not just the home, but it also can be the school culture or the national culture, especially the suicide, there are things that occur in one's life such

and sue klebold, motherover of columbine high school shooter dylan klebold, discussed mental health and how she dealt with the tragedy. in the coming weeks on "after words," shaka singur discusses his 19 years in prison and criminal justice reform. tamara droughting will talk about america's new working class and its potential political power. also coming up, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will look back on his life and career in politics. and this weekend don watkins, fellow at the ayn rand institute, will argue that measures to alleviate income inequality actually end up hurting low income americans. >> the real insight of the enlightenment thinkers like the founders was each of us is equal in the fact that we have equal rights. so the government's job is not to rule us, it's to be our servant, the servant, the protector of our rights. but what happens when it protects our rights equally? what happens when it protects you, your freedom the same that it protects might be? we're going to create very different amounts of wealth because we have different abilities, we make differe

along with derek liebold eric harris murdered 13 people in the columbine high school in 1999. throughout his journals he was very interested in focusing on people's own words, not someone who interpreted but understanding what was going on in the minds at the time of people. you. in these journals that harris poses as someone who had a grudge against his peer group the social injustices of a high school culture that is excluding him. he gets his yearbook and this is what he writes in his diary. if i could nuke the world i would and then he goes on everyone is always making fun of me because of how i look. how fa and league i am, i will get you all back. ultimate revenge here. you people could have shown more respect, treated me better, treated me more like a senior and maybe i wouldn't have been as ready to tear your heads off. that is where a lot of my hate comes from. you see in essence in this child, in this adolescent the slides, the slides in high school that he could not shake. so he wrote, i know what all of you are thinking and what to do to make you feel bad. it wasn'

what then one might asks along with dylan cleburne, eric harris murdered 13 people and columbine high school in 1999. throughout his journals, very interested focusing on people's own words, not someone who interpreted. really trying to understand what was going on in the minds of the people. you read in these journals that harris posed as someone who had a grudge against his. group who resents the social injustices of a high school culture that is excluded him. he gets his yearbook and this is what he writes in his diary. >> if i could knew the world it would. then he goes on, everyone is always making fun of me because of how i look, how weak im. welcome i will get you all back. ultimate revenge. you people could have shown more respect, treated me better, treated me more like a senior and maybe i wouldn't have been as ready to tear your heads off. that's where a lot of my hate grows from. you see in this child, in this adolescence the flights, the flights in high school he couldn't shake. this is what he wrote: i know what all of you are thinking. and what to do to this you often m

yes, columbine was devastating., i'll never forget it. it was one of the most meaningful conversations i've had in my career. it was so raw. it was the morning after. i've actually kept up with craig scott. i saw him the other day for a glass of wine because he was here in new york. you know, i really -- i wanted to have an open mind. i wanted to under the psyche of gun owners in this country and what they were afraid of. they're very fearful of confiscation, which has been gemmed up by the gun lobby. when gun sales go down, the gun lobby has become a marketing arm for the gun manufacturers. they don't speak for their members. >> the supreme court ruled out confiscation. you have a right under the second amendment to have a gun. >> even justice scalia said it wasn't unlimited. >> thank you for bringing attention to it. >> thank you for bringing me on the show. >> it airs may 19th. >>> coming up, bob harper on why keeping weight off is to difficult. >>> first on a friday morning, this is "today" on nbc. >>> we're bac

bill o'reilly about the upcoming meeting with columbine tomorrow. >> it will be very interesting.ook forward to the meeting with positive results. nicole: out the latest on the campaign trail. lauren: disappointing numbers after hours too late the dow lower. espn advertising once again the culprit. we will have the story for you. duff pictures you. duff pictures of the downside. you are watching, your first look at graymarket and breaking news. ♪i hope life treats you kind ♪and i hope you have all you've dreamed of♪ ♪and i wish you joy and happiness♪ ♪but above all this i wish you love♪ ♪and i will always love you ♪i will always love you, i ♪love you nicole: breaking news this morning. bernie sanders wins big in coal country and donald trump heads to his delegate count. 130 delegates away from clinching the gop nomination. i am nicole petallides. liz: lauren: imr and simonetti pippa -- shooting at 222 points yesterday posted its biggest gain since march 1st day but checking to see how stock markets are featuring -- shaping up. dow futures down 39 points. nicole: after a big move y

. >> 5:51 is a columbine.time news tracker firstp a historic win over hae s and voters in philippines erecting first ever transpicture of house of representative. she had to hold more significant than xwai s, leslie each an gestures publiced and receipt cue. >> no photos for you. justin said he will no longer take pictures with fans. he doesn't know anything to his fans really and he felz like a zoo animal when fans try to nap a pick. >> you get ready for wednesday. how about a six day or six h work dwi -- nurses at a retirement home 30 hours a week for last year and not surpris surprising being happier more productive and less likely to call out sick. on average americans work 39 hours a week. it's unlikely u.s. would ever adopt such a things. why are they always in foreign counties cutting back the hours. >> i like the fact he said americans work 39 hours a work i want that job. >> that was from sweden they don't no what he they're talking about here. >> the,. >> and president obama lx perennial power toe r

good >> she told her friend mat lowery she tried to put aside her personal feelings after covering columbine. >> i wanted to have an open mind and what gun owners were afraid of. all the president of the virginia citizens defense league, but his two hour interview was left on the cutting room floor said things seemed on go well. >> it was polite and nice back-and-forth and i thought, well, she was going to do a fair job of representing us. >> but she and the filmmakers are underfire on a dramatic moment in the trailer. there are no background checks for gun purchasers how do you prevent felons or terrorists from purchasing a gun? >> eight seconds of stunned violence. but that sequence with members of the virginia gun rights group was edited in a misleading way. hear from an audio tape what actually happened. >> how do you prevent felons or terrorists from talking into a licensed dealer and purchasing a gun? >> well, in you are not in jail, you should still have basic rights and --. >> if you are a terrorist offer felon? >> you should have a right. >> fact is we do have statues both at the fe

sue klebold, mother of columbine high school shooter dylan klebold, discussed mental health and how she dealt with the tragedy. and ellen malcolm recalled her creation of emily's list, a political action committee which works to elect pro-choice democratic women to political office n. the coming weeks, don watkins, fellow at the ayn rand institute, will argue that measures to alleviate income inequality actually end up hurting low income americans. chaka singor will recall his 19 years in prison. also coming up, tamara drought will talk about america's new working class and its potential political power. and this weekend peter marks will remember the career of the ceo who turned aig around during the height of the financial crisis. >> guest: he was the only person who thought this was possible, essentially. i mean, the government didn't think this was going to happen, the company certainly didn't think it was going to happen. they were ready to sell it off for spare parts, and certainly the american people had no expectation that this was going to happen. so that idea that he was a litt

the mother of columbine shooter discusses mental health and how she dealt with the tragedy. and the recollection of emily's list, a political action committee that works to elect democratic women to political office. and don watkins will argue that measures to eliminate income inequality end up hurting low income americans. and we will discuss criminal justice reform. and tamira drought will talk about america's new working class and potential political power. and peter marks will remember the career of the late aig's ceo who turned the company around during the crisis. >> the government didn't think it would happen, the company didn't think it would happen, and the american people had no expectation this was going to happen. so the idea he was a little crazy, you had to be a little crazy to take this on and he was the right kind of crazy. >> after words airs on booktv sever saturday at 9 p.m. and sunday 9 p.m. eastern. you can watch all previous programs on our website booktv.org. >> mark

and sue klebold, mother of columbine high school shooter dylan klebold, discussed mental health and how she dealt with the tragedy. in the coming weeks on "after words," a discussion on criminal justice reform and 19 years in prison. tamara drought will talk about america's new working class and its potential political power. also coming up, senate majority leader membership mcconnell -- mitch mcconnell will look back on his life and career in politics. and this weekend don watkins, fellow at the ayn rand institute, will argue that measures to alleviate income inequality actually end up hurting low income americans. >> the real insight of the enlightenment thinkers of the founders was each of us is equal in that we have equal rights. the government is to be our servant, the protector of our rights. but what happens when it protects our rights equally? what happens when it protects you, your freedom the same that it protects mine? we're going to create different amounts of wealth because we have different abilities, we make different choices, we, you know, some of us want to go and becom

and if we look at a murder/suicide such as the columbine tragedy, murder/suicide is a small subset of suicidality. perhaps 1-2% of suicides will result in the killing of someone else. so my recommendation is that we focus very much on trying to understand suicide and trying to prevent suicide so that these things don't erupt boo a terrible -- into a terrible tragedy. you did ask why this happened, and in the book i talk about i think the more e educate if give -- effective question to ask is how does this happen. what is the mechanism through which one's thinking deteriorates. and the way i have come to explain this to myself is really a medical model. if we look at suicide and consider it to be a health risk as we would heart disease or diabetes, we know that there are many factors involved. >> >> what happened was the very rare set of circumstances that overlap perfectly if you look bad day then diagram of interlocking circles that a friend who was possibly very disturbed and controlling an angry with his own wish to die from the pain he was in psychologically, bullying

looking at our murder-suicide such as columbine that is such a small subset perhaps one or 2 percent of a suicide results in the killing of someone else so my recommendation is to focus on trying to understand suicide and prevent suicide so these things don't he wrapped into a terrible tragedy. you did ask why and i talked about the more effective question is how? what is the mechanism that thinking deteriorates. it is a medical model looked at suicide considering it to be a health risk -- a health risk there are many factors involved like personality of the interact and biological factors that might be a tendency. and environmental factors. and especially with suicide there are triggering factors that can impact the risk. my answer to that question is this is the very rare sets of circumstances that overlap perfectly in the bin diagram but to meet a friend that was very disturbed and controlling with his vulnerability or his wish to die or the psychological pain. all of the factors came together that came to be the horrible perfect storm. . .