columbus. we are in a world as if america did not exist. this is so weird. when you see the world from europe or again from indiafrom hong kong, or from ukraine where i was recently or from kurdistan, you have the impression that america withdrew so much that she's no longer an actor anymore. and the result, those bad guys, those human rights offenders who are putin, xi jinping and iranian leadership and isis and others move forward, where are they? moving forward more and more. and they take advantage of the pandemic to move on and on. >> and personally, when you look at it, bernard, as somebody who's taught a lot about philosophy and moral philosophy, has this pandemic brought out the best in human beings, the worst in human beings? has it made us more selfish, more aware of the plight of others? how do you see it? >> alas, i would say that selfishness has increased. it is evident for those who deny the pandemic. they don't care about the deaths, which is the biggest selfishness possible. they don't care. protection has to continue and they send the dead to hell. but on the other side, i see in these safe bubb