what do we mean about colution with respect to the campaign? >> the colution would be mean whether or not people from the trump campaign were involved with russian intelligence or the russian government in trying to fix the election or actually cooperate in anyway. was there any level of cooperation or colution depending what term we want to use or coordination between people in the trump campaign and anyone involved with the russian government or russian intelligence. and that's i think adam would agree, that is the general use the term. there could be modifications, that is basically what we are talking about. so far i see no evidence of that but again we'll have to see. >> rose: so congressman schiff, if you seen evidence of that? >> you know, the way i would describe t charlie, is there is sir cum station evidence of coordination there is direct evidence in my opinion of deception on behalf of many of the people around the president. and of course where people are being dishonest about conversations they have with the russian ambassador or