so, for her to put this off as a-- and i think, liz, we were talking about in at the comerica, put thisobs and ignore the fact that that's going to decrease employment in this country is very irresponsible. >> yeah, come on, liz. >> the fact remains, the employer mandate delayed for a year see we will not know about the true impact of obamacare on jobs, when the employer mandate kicks in. and you see companies reacting and busting down full-time workers to part-time status. moving workers to the exchanges. so, we're now 700,000 fewer full-time jobs since pre recession peak according to the federal reserve. so for the secretary of hhs to make the statements unequivocally is kind of interesting. stuart: well, it just flies in the face of reality, doesn't it? >> how about the owner of multiple applebee's franchises we had on this program last week who said that he's had to talk about the harsh realties of obamacare to his employees who may lose their jobs as a result of this. so we have firsthand evidence that people will loose their jobs. >> if health reform was so great, why are there 28