the former gop commerce men served in arizona's first district for five years.at the time of his indictment, he held a coveted seat in the house intelligence committee. however, that year, he decided not to seek reelection. june of 2013, he was convicted of 17 of 32 corruption counts. he was found guilty on two sets of charges, the first where he was found to be funneling client funds from his insurance brokerage to the election campaign. he was also charged with conspiracy where he and his partner orchestrated an illegal land swap of use government property. "mr. renzi abused his power and corresponding trust became a being a member of congress by putting his own financial interest or the interest of citizens." to break down this case and what applications it may have to milers joined earlier by the director of the citizens for responsibility -- it may have, i was joined earlier by the director of the citizens first possibility. >> this was the bigger part of the case, the part that really advocated the abuse of public trust. mr. renzi used his position in cong

and that's true for every company in the chamber of commerce wants worldwide so immigration is part of their dna of recruiting talents to get the worldwide talents that are competent. i want to break in the african and latin america and our businesses to be represented all over the world because our sdm dna is about being a national city. san francisco has always been a part of the conversation about immigration and this is a time of very unique opportunity time where congress has this one's in a lifetime ability to make the updated changes. we need to reflect what our business you demands are going forward to hopefully reflect the need to bring people out of the dictate area of undocumentation and into the lime light and have them fully participate and as mayors and major cities across the country we need that comprehensive immigration reform. we have other things to talk about on the aspects of that. but i'm pride to join our homeland security to make sure that we are talking about this and sending a message to congress and all our representatives. our country to be fully covered we

up next we'll take you back to the commerce summits, the investment summit at the commerce department from earlier today. black rock c.e.o. said the u.s. is well positioned to attract business investment. but he criticized washington citing the recent dispute over raising the debt ceiling. and shutting down the government. also on this panel, the c.e.o.'s of wal-mart, u.s. and dow chemical. [applause] >> good morning, everyone. secretary lew, secretary pritzker, thank you so much for your very excellent remarks. and i want to thank both of them for their leadership. they have been outstanding, particularly for the subject matter that we have before us these next two days. i know that their insights, particularly as it applies to the business community, are very valuable to all of us that are joining us today. we're off to a great start to what promises to be a great conference with a packed agenda. thanks to all of you who have come great distances to be with us today. i am very pleased to announce our first panel, which is entitled "why select the u.s.a.?" perspectives on investing a

. >> we want to welcome back to congressman fred upton, chairman of the energy and commerce committee. politico andof siobhan hughes of "the wall street journal." siobhan, go ahead. >> what was your take away from the hearing yesterday? where will you go from here? will you issue subpoenas? , we wantedy sebelius her to come last week. she chose not to. other scheduling conflicts, she said. we have her coming next week to chi will give us at least three hours. there will be a lot of questions. there was a line that was on the front page of your paper, i don't remember the byline. it was like "a lot of fingers and no palm." a lot of fingers pointing as to who the blame is. we need to get to the bottom of this. this has not been a story just in the last week or so. we started our investigation last summer. we heard testimony earlier this year, a good number of letters as well. the administration has spent, as you know, hundreds of millions of dollars on this rollout. even though they said they were ready to go and would be ready october 1, it seems like it was so compartmentalized. diffe

you would lose all communication, electronic commerce would go down. finance would go down.few days, you probably would lose water, access to food and as the movie portrays within a week or two, the rule of law might actually start breaking down and you would have chaos in the streets. >> fires, looting, panic everywhere? >> that's exactly correct. >> i was reading that a recent congressional report said that they have constant, almost daily attempted cyber attacks on the power grid. that's a little frightening, isn't it? >> it was a real interesting poll done of electric companies a few months ago. two-thirds of them said that they at that time had malicious software on their systems designed to sabotage them. an awful lot of that software was coming from other countries, from the militaries of other countries overseas. so it is a very interesting and evolving situation that's worrying a lot of people here. >> weather storms and the most recent was sandy where we're coming up on that here in the east coast a year ago, 8.5 million people lost all power. i was one of them. we

at the commerce department investment summit, the ceos talk about the u.s.investment climate and the government policy on attracting foreign investment, some of those policies include immigration, the debt ceiling, and energy. it is moderated. [applause]

we asked for major reform in commerce.t's so much confusion in my commerce department in dealing with customers new customers and existing customers. that we had all the middle people involved. we need streamline. in fact, we're going privatize part of my commerce department. this is radical -- what some say is radical change. i think it's pragmatic change. >> that sounds exciting. tell us about the commerce department reform. >> u yo know what was happening was that we had at lough different -- a lot of different departments set up many years ago for good reasons. we had a biotech center, the charlotte regional partnership which was i was as mayor of charlotte. we had all the different groups working for commerce, but not in a coordinated, effective, and efficient manner. and also had a lot of overhead. and the customer was confused when they came to north carolina who do we talk to if we are interested in investing in north carolina. what we found out, they had to talk to all the different groups. no one person was in ch

joining us is congressman tim murphy and a cofounder of the caucus and a member of the energy commerce committee, which we will hear from secretary sebelius next wednesday. let's start, if we may. i just have to ask you here. do these problems manifest beyond the website? this is beginning to look like it may be a complete and utter disaster for the government and this administration and for those who wanted obamacare.

chamber of commerce. and correspondent for national journal. >> you reported that president obama is beating the drum on immigration reform after other distractions. you wrote until republicans move it is not going anywhere. how significant is it that we see a handful of house republicans, three, signing on to immigration reforms? >> it is significant but other republicans in the house want to see an immigration reform pass. the bill that the three republicans dine, and jeff depp am is one. they signed a democrat sponsored bill introduced by the minority leader nancy pelosi, with the co-sponsorship of the democratic kauk us. it's meant to be a democrat opening bid to say, "we are ready to work on immigration, are you?", when i saw it introduced i thought there's no way that republicans will do anything on this, because it looked very partisan at the beginning. to have a couple of republicans put their name on it - that doesn't mean they are trying to buck the speaker or trying to rebel against the leaders

on risk is to regulate commerce. congress -- what is happening -- congress gets to regulate commerce. what is happening exceeds congress's powers. the question is, is that interpretive ruling going to later rear its head as a landmine successfully laid by chief justice roberts in the health care case. time will tell. predictions,hose i'm reminded of the bbc show with her one atkinson the many of you may know. that many ofnson you may know. they have been cranking away at the commerce clause for a long time. i thought some of that was overblown. >> i agree. [laughter] casehole premise of the from the view of the challengers was, this law is completely unheard of. congress never before has required you to buy a product. of thisthat comes out is, congress cannot require you to buy a product. if you believe that this congress is not in this business, the final rule is one that does not have a lot of consequence because it annuls a set of laws. the longer-term conservative outcome is on the spending cause. teethe first ti

she's represented army reservists and business interests including the chamber of commerce as well as civil rights plaintiffs. ms. millet is a nominee with unquestionable integrity and character. she's committed herself to pro bono work. she has done this throughout her career and has engaged in significant community service. it's interesting at a press conference i held yesterday, we

about, but a great number of people in small businesses who are the bread and butter chamber of commerce who can't afford to see people for primary care let alone for pharmacy drugs. we've done two things to dress that, and we think this expansion would just give us exponential growth. we have our grant with unc healthcare where we take the unininsured out of the emergency room. people who come there frequently and can use a primary care provider. they're preferred to us for primary care visits, and we looked at the numbers there and it's straightforward. we're saving uncompensated care cost in that emergency room to the toon of $3 million to $4 million a year. that's just in one emergency room with our program. in addition to that we've done something with the five local chambers of commerce that rebelong to called our small business plan because they were precluded from qualifying for medicaid or any other kind of insurance programs so that we had a small business plan if anybody worked for chamber of commerce business or family members of those people we would see them for a reduced f

we asked for major reform in commerce. so much confusion in the commerce department in dealing with customers new and existing customers. we had all the middle people involved. we need to streamline. in fact, we're going privatetize part of the commerce department. what some say is radical change. i think it's pragmatic change. i'm proud of that. >> that sounds exciting. tell us about the commerce department reform. >> you know what was happening? we had a lot of different departments that were set up many years ago for good reasons. we had a rural center, whether he a biotech center, the charlotte regional -- which is where i was as mayor. we had all the different groups working for commerce. but not in a coordinated effect. i had at -- a lot of overhead. the customer was confused when they came to north carolina. who do we talk to? they had to talk to the different groups no one person was in charge. i don't think that's good customer service. so we're putting all of these people under one umbrella and also privatizing t

and now the house and emergency commerce committee, they are demanding answers. congressman joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta risks you aware that the white house, the system knew the system was not going to do well on the roll-out, and that they were deceitful, or do you think they were mistaken and confused and something else? >> at the very least they were mistaken and confused. and really, it doesn't matter. and this should all be delayed as a result of these horrendous developments. and i hope that the white house will reconsider. >> it's not just sort of the roll-out. issues like have costs gone down? do people get to keep their plan? keep their doctors? are employers maintaining the same number of employees? are the employees getting the same number of hours? it's not just the computer roll-out. are people getting that with the new plans? >> they're obviously not. the answer to all of those questions is no. and the president promised that the answer to all of those questions would be yes. how can we tax people for not buying a product fro

herbert hoover has been this prominent secretary of commerce. has cometo hooverize into the language. there are hopes and expectations around hoover. he is the great humanitarian and engineer. he is able to get the nomination in 1928 from the reputation he has built up in world war i and as secretary of commerce. there is also an incredible relief effort in 1927. when mass a time media is coming into play. how did that affect his popularity? >> he got a lot coverage. there were news reels. he had a film made of himself. it was called "master of emergencies." it showed how capable he was. the media was important. >> what was the election like? >> it was a landslide. he wins 60% of the vote and an enormous portion of the electoral college. where thelection democrats have nominated al smith. he is the first catholic to be nominated for a national major party. herbert hoover is a beneficiary of a divide that happens on the democratic side. withinh is opposed from because of his catholicism and prohibition.t hoover escapes an internal battle. >> it i

chairman of the house energy and commerce subcommittee. tomorrow, we are going to have a hearing about the exchange website and it will be about the facts. we are approaching this investigation in a thoughtful and deliver it way. here is what we know so far. $55 million for just one company to build the website. less than a year in, the agency it hasnt $93 million since frittered away $300 million. other companies were hired to work on this website. half $1, more than billion was spent on a website that doesn't work. the energy and commerce committee's will be continuing our ongoing investigation into what went wrong and getting answers on the record with the contractors and secretary sibelius. repeatedly over the last year, our subcommittee was told by numerous officials, don't worry. everything is fine. we have this under control. we know that it was not the case. either they didn't know what was going on or they were deliberately misleading us and the american people with the hope of avoiding us knowing what was really happening. given

commerce department, 87% is at home. >> only 87 at commerce? interior, 81%. treasury, 80. look at something like justice. 15% are at home. so. >> that makes sense. justice would be one of those constitutional duties that the government has. commerce, not so much. epa, not so much. but i think this does represent a danger for the president because, we've talked about all of the dger for republicans. melissa: right. >> you shut down the government, shut down the government people -- melissa: things -- >> life goes on. melissa: people are not inconvenienced except you can't see a national monumument. >> it is not summertime anyway. if it is going to happen, you worry if you're obama, would i think. pele going a week and not really noticing a problem, that, 800,000 federal workers are stayg home. melissa: that it argues for a smaller government. james rosen, so the president is set to meet with the leadership, the congressional leadership during this hour. what do you think will come out of this? anything? >> not as much as any concerned taxpayer would actually hope what would

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congress gets to regulate commerce. it doesn't get to make commerce.ngress is required people to buy insurance. therefore it exceeds congress' powers. the question was, is that conservative ruling go into later rear its head as a landmine by chief justice roberts and health care. >> you stated the question perfectly accurately. time will tell. when i read those predictions, i am reminded of the bb so blackadder with rowan atkinson that many of you may know of and everything has a cunning plan. my thought and reading all the commentary about the commerce clause landmine, i did not see it. i thought it was overblown. >> i agree. >> the whole premise of the case from the view of the challengers was this love was completely unheard of. congress never before has required you to buy a product. and so the law that comes out of congress can require you to buy a product. so if you believe the premise that the case, that this congress justice and in this business, then the doctrinal rule is one that doesn't have a lot of consequence because it invalidates a null

commerce in the economic gutter as well r.t. commentator sam sachs joins me live from the hill and we'll tell you why snooping may cost the u.s. big bucks in the form of big business and where there's smoke there's a burger that's right no fire here we're talking about cigarettes see how smokeless cigs are banning the major players from the doctor industry and if you're just in your name for a vacation might we suggest crowdfunding your next leisure time getaway that's in today's big deal but now let's get to the show. just one week ahead of schedule negotiate negotiations on a massive e.u.'s european union union trade agreement and s.a.a. spying on european officials are in your ear aided both governments here in the u.s. worldwide and in europe now the trade agreement said to be worth almost two hundred seventy billion dollars and slated to create over two million jobs could now be in jeopardy french president francois all along said that the n.s.a. spying has threatened trade talks or at the very least required a lot more dat

chamber of commerce selected these guys.e is the united states chamber of commerce, the guys who put the four-story middle finger to obama facing the white house two years ago. if they came in and threw 50 to $100 million to the districts this dynamic would change tomorrow. where are these guys. where is tom donahue. >> where are they? where is the chamber of commerce, eamon? >> chamber of commerce has been in favor of establishment of republicans. they would like to see spending cuts ultimately, some kind of broader debt deal if we can get one. that doesn't seem to be where we're headed. we seem to be a short-term kick the can down the road. i remember the good old days we used to complain all washington was good at kicking the can down the road. now they are not good at that anymore. that's the one thing they had. >> searching in the garbage can for something like an orange peel to kick down the road. schlessinger makes a very important point if you regularly wrestle on the edge of the cliff you're eventually bound to tumb

i remember senator pressler of south dakota who chaired the senate commerce committee bringing sandwiches and for the staff during the shutdown. so we kept working right through i can't say it had a great personal effect on me at the time. >> host: how about working with the fcc prospective? did that put a crimp in your ability to move forward? >> guest: as layers that i think the fundamental -- what we were getting from the commission is how quickly can you do these and i have to sit where of all of the things that you did the one thing that is probably the most miraculous as you did meet all the deadlines. it was really quite an accomplishment. but there wasn't really a lot of other congress needed at that time. >> host: lynn stanton. >> guest: did the morale of agency staff take a hit when they came back from two, one short and one longer shut down? did you sense from staff that there was any kind of discouragement or people have to appreciate their job and to be told they are important to be told you are not essential and to go home is not a good deal. >> host: >> guest: there was a s

we asked for major reform in commerce. confusion in my commerce department in dealing with customers, new customers and existing customers. we had all of these middle p all involved and need to streamline it. we will privatize part of my commerce department. this is what some would call for radical change. i think it is pragmatic change. pre-k's that sounds exciting. tell us about the commerce department reform. >> what was happening is we had a lot of different compartments -- departments that were set up many years ago for good reason. charlotte regional partnership. we had all of these different groups working for commerce, but efficientoordinated, and effective manner. it also had a lot of overhead. the customer was confused, who do we talk to if we're interested in investing in north carolina? we have to talk to all of these different groups that no one person is in charge. we are putting these people under one umbrella and privatizing the marking of north carolina. >> let me turn about economic growth, tourism and th

partially from his reputation in world war i and as secretary of commerce. and also the incredible relief effort that he managed in 1927. this is a time. , as we have talked about, when the mass media is beginning to come into play. how did that affect his popularity? >> he got a lot of coverage. there were newsreels. he had films made of him, his biographical film. it was called, " master of emergencies. " the media was very important in terms of getting his image and to the public. wins with a popular vote. the democrats nominated all , the firstl smith catholic to be nominated. he is a beneficiary of the divide that happens on the democratic side. smith is a post from an -- from within. because of concerns about his position on prohibition and the likes. hoover escaped an internal battle. came in with an overwhelmingly republican congress. large majorities. one would think you would have a lot of support. >> one would think. was she in the campaign? >> she was very visible. part of the press that was out at the time in conjunction with all smith being the

we asked for major reform in commerce.ch confusion in my commerce department in dealing with customers, both new and existing customers, that we had all these middle people involved, and we needed to streamline it. and, in fact, we're going to privatize part of my commerce department. this is radical, what some would say is radical change. i think it's pragmatic change. and i'm very proud of that. >> well, that sounds exciting. tell us a little bit about this commerce department reform. >> you know, it what was happeng was that that we had a lot of different departments that were set up many years ago for good reasons. we had a rural center, we had a biotech center, we had the charlotte regional partnership which was where i was as mayor of charlotte, so we had all these different groups working for commerce but not in a coordinated, effective and efficient manner. and it also had a lot of overhead. and the customer was confused when it came to north carolina, who do we talk to if we're interested in investing in north car

. >> tcc, taxes, credit, commerce, fitting post office copyright courts. piracy army war navy.ia, money for militia. >> if only he would actually listen to those words and stop distorting the constitution. so now here we are about a quarter sentry later and senator cruz just delivered the keynote and at an event in iowa for the defenders of freedom. >> we all know we are in extraordinary times. the challenges facing this country are not typical. they are not ordinary. we are pacing fiscal and economic challenges and facing an assault on our constitutional rights. unlike anything this country it is the third time since july cruz visited iowa. the site of the first in the nation presidential primary. coinciden coincidence? i don't think so p although overall public opinion of cruz plummeted during the government shutdown. failed tactic made him more popular than ever in the republican base. those are the people most likely to vote in primaries. while the gop didn't get anything out of the shutdown, ted cruz is emerging as the party's new standard bear and a front-runner for 2016.

member of the energy and commerce committee, a great to have you here. source code with that declaration forget your rights you are now involved with the federal government. we should expect it but were you shocked? >> i am very concerned and so should the american people that the rollout has been the absolute disaster and we want answers and that was the purpose today. lou: ms. campbell astonishing. how does a civilian, a contract with the government's stand before a committee filled with members and basically tell you all to go to hell? she did it with the sweetest stonewalled imaginable but is there not a recourse or some shave or leverage the you have to treat the congress to answer forthrightly? >> i think the contractors pointed the finger at cms and hhs we wanted kathleen sebelius to come before us today if she chose not to do that but she will on wednesday. lou: day you really think the answer would be different? now 24 days into this you can smell the stench coast-to-coast but yet we still don't know who is responsible or how many people enrolle

he has risen to the height of secretary of commerce then-president without ever having elected office only one going straight to the top were general's. he does not have the background of the deal making or dealing with politicians say he is quite superior to those but the only person with the negative iq. he does not get along with the politicians. >> with some past couple so why does a better politician than the has spent. is this the case? >> guest: it was not. two sides of the same coin in the same way that hoover was not a politician because he was the effective administrator and lou was the same way almost all way quickly rose to the top of the organization but always in new leadership role where negotiating was not necessarily a skill she had to develop. in some respect she was able to cut oil on troubled waters by inviting people for dinner for they could have the exchange of ideas to get into talk about the issues but she was probably doing the same types of things that he was. when she coveted her social secretary and the longer engaged with the social side of washington tha

department of commerce, 40,000 of 46,000 total employees not there. the department of transportation 18,000 from 55,000 not there. the federal communications commission 1700 of 1754 not there. the federal maritime commission 120 of 120 total employees all not there. the federal trade commission 925 of the 1100 not there. nasa 17,000 of 18,000 not there. 97% the distinguished senator tells me. the national science foundation which i cherish 1970 of 2000 not there. that concludes my statement and who should i call on? are we in order of arrival? go to the witnesses? say mr. chairman you spoke so eloquently. >> this is unprecedented behavior. [laughter] let me do that then. we are going to start with the honorable deborah ap hersman. i didn't know the ap was there but i do now. chairman of the national safety board and the honorable marion blakey president and chief executive officer of aerospace industries association former head of the federal aviation administration. dr. alan leshner the chief executive officer of the american association for the adva

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e-commerce in the u.s. is growing at 12%, 13%.y are they the largest gobbling up market share, who are they taking it from? they're taking it from everybody. they're tale taking it from smaller online players, but gobbling it up from the large guys like walmart, k-mart and all these others. so we do think they have the right strategy. there are some issues around margin and how thin they are and when we'll conveniently start seeing leverage. but i think the strategy is head on. >> having said that, the margin of worldwide sales did improve from minus 0.2 to minus 0.1. so it is going to the right direction. >> yes. but we're talking tiny improvements. i think if you look at the internet ecosystem margins, be they for e-commerce or service providers said to be substantially larger. and so the argument here is at what point will amazon start relaxing some of its investment in technology, in distribution centers, in new initiatives and start, you know, paying back shareholders and realizing some higher roic. so -- but clearly, with th

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there were four contracting companies that were represented at this hearing, the house energy and commercering, as the committee tries to get to the bottom of what has gone wrong with the healthcare.gov website that is plagued with problems since it opened, the testimony that the lawmakers were hearing today really centered around these glitches that have been experienced all across the country, basically saying that they feel that they were prepared, they did adequate testing but the problem really arose when the four companies tried to integrate their systems. there hadn't been adequate testing done to see if those four would work together, and the fact that was when it was rolled out it didn't work at all. and so the blame that these contractors say falls with the obama white house, that they in fact, informed the administrators at health and human services that perhaps this system was not ready to two, there should be delay in the roll out, but it maltly the decision was made by the obama administration to keep on going. but at the same time, this has been used as a spring board for re

louis to speak to the chamber of commerce on immigration. they had just analyzed the economy of the city of st. louis and could not understand why they were lagging behind the rest of the midwest. they finally concluded, not enough immigrants. not enough immigrants. they realized that this is a powerful driving force, not just a labor force, but a force for achievement and opportunity. i think that will happen with immigration reform, as it has happened generation after generation. make these folks who are not -- who are hiding in the shadows legal. give these kids a chance to finish college, and you are going to see this erdman of economic growth, the spark that has made america what it is today. that is my genetics course. that is what i think this bill is all about. [applause] >> and i think all of us, when we were debating this -- some people talk about security. and that certainly was important. but you can know who was here to pursue the american dream versus who is trying to do it harm. you cannot know with millions of people in darkn

knows something about e commerce and it and can put up a site. they need someone to see the site through for the next couple years, at least. >> you're familiar with the thinking in the white house and obama administration, after all, you advised president obama early on on the hkt reform. when do they say we're not ready, this is going to take longer than we think and we'll be better off if we postpone the enrollment? do you think? when will they get to that point? >> that depends upon the it solutions you can put in place over the next five weeks and as i understand the problem from people who are close to it, this is not rocket science. this about blocking and tackling and doing basic things correctly, and the question is if we can get that, the website up and running in five weeks, i don't think they will have to postpone enrollment and postpone the mandate, and i don't think that would be nepsz scary. now, if it turns out that there are much bigger problems, and it cannot operate at a reasonably good level but thanksgiving, that would force