commerce. we also have jim, an attorney that specializes in municipal bkruptcies.andy, what do you think is the best way forward for the city? >> well, unfortunately, bankruptcy is really the only route forward for us. it's an unfortunate that we let it get to this pint, but this is -- this current course is not sustainable by any stretch of the imagination. your previous guest, michael, wants the peps folks paid, i understand that, but there's no mey in the system now. we have to do something radical. melissa: daughter and drastic. jim, do you degree with that? >> yes, i think the real key to y successful chapter nine is not only adjusting the debt, but coming up with a recovery plan. melissa: sure. >> something to stimulate the business community,improve infrastructure and services so that business and employers want to come in, hire people, and people want to live there. without that, you've just continued the same problem, even though you may lower the debt. melissa: ji, the judge ordered the governor to take it back out of bankruptcy court. do you think -- i m