there was not going to be an acceptance of me setting out to prove that they were commingleded. even though everyone knew they were. very southern thing. as i went into the 70's, people started to begrudgingingly give me the records. the 80's, it was just, you know, sort of the fine, fine. fine. as i went to the 90's it was easier. after oprah, that was a whole different, people were chasing we down the street. i have a record i think you might be interested in. it was almost to that point. it wasn't really wasn't only that the people that were managing those records in libraries or courthouses had changed some were the same people. so interesting to me. it was fascinating to see that not only the times had changed but some of the people themselves had changed. >> no longer acceptable. >> no longer unacceptable. >> yeah. >> yes. >> one of the records you found in which you reprinted in the book is an 1850 bill of sale. from the plantation that fellamin and elizabeth and others were working on. and it's quite extraordinary. it lists them by name. their age and just as an example