commissio ner moore? commissioner moore: here we go when these types of issues come up, i feel i need to sit between two chairs. i believe there is a certain precedent of animosity between both parties and i would suggest if there have neutral date in which beet can agree i am prepared to entertain that. but i do not want to be dragged into a disagreement that she said and it was announced. i don't want to go there. i don't believe we sit here for resolving that issue. but if there are two parties that have an issue that they don't agree on they should come to consensus before education or back let them come back with a date that works for both of them. vice president olague: we have to make a decision today. well, go ahead. commissioner borden? commissioner borden: maybe i could ask the project sponsor that this architect that you have that couldn't be here today, would the 12th be possible? i mean, if that is the issue that is the difference for you. >> again, it's carl shannon he's from new york he has

commissio ner moore? commissioner moore: , isn't it enthusiasm that your architect of record, in the processes that go on in this room, why do we need the architects to be here. the architect of record -- it's not as much about the building as it is about approving the eir. >> both. >> that leads and that is the one on which you will most testimony? >> in terms of the technical approvals, i can say absolutely, mr. mannis can speak very eloquently to the technical approvals and what is required, probably more eloquently than tom pfeiffer can. we are encouraged by the planning department to bring great architects to san francisco and to build great projects, to do kpr and 555. this is tom pfeiffer's day in the sun this san francisco. i would think you would want him here. >> he's the design architect, so typically we like to have the person who designed the building here for the approval. we recognize they are the architect of record but he is the actual designer of the building. commissio ner lee? commissi

commissio ner antonini? commissioner antonini: a couple of things. i couldn't agree more with commissioner moore about that block of sutter. in fact i made phone calls to the owner of one particular building and asked them to get the graffiti off there and keep it clean and they have a lot of excuses most of the time why it can't be don, so i don't know what our enforcement policies are. it's a contrast to what happens on post street and stores are -- vacants are kept up a lot better. to the extent it's something that can be don, it would be great if we can ask look into these areas visible to the public. there are lots of people walking downtown and it doesn't reflect well on the city if we see the condition of these buildings. in regards to the emissions article in the "san francisco business times" if i am not mistaken, i am curious about that, too. i know we have a series of projects, and maybe even one today, but it's just a question of, is it necessarily freeways? i think it's near a certain level of emissions, and you put it in and where is that level and this and that. and finally, in te

commissio ner lee? commissioner lee: one, i agree with commissioner moore, but we should also look at kerney street. if you walk from broadway to market there are about 26 vacant sites, and actually kerney is pretty bad off. it's not just dirty but looks bad, compared to parts of union square. regarding commissioner borden's concerns about violations. all along lower to middle polk street there's numerous violations, sign violations, music in the evening violations, a whole bunch of violations, but it's just not there but throughout most of the city. you talk about violations, we have a lot of illegal housing units here. eight years ago when i started on this i wanted to press the commission to legalize all the illegal housing units we have here. but no one, the board of supervisors doesn't want to pick it up. you want to talk about violations and fire and health safety during an earthquake, the one thing the city should tackle are these illegal units. that has the most impact, to the city, for human health and lives, especially during an earthquake. following up yesterday, it tweaked me, i asked th