commission? >> guest: the commission has eight members, four and four. no more than for the same political party. what people have decided to do is play designation. vanilla two-point somebody and therefore whatever it is, they haven't changed their party or change something and then they appoint them anyway. but it has become the latest rupture is now because of what reagan did to it, it is hard to get a majority to do anything given the people who are appointed unlike the old days back in 5760 and so on are not supposed to be people who are objective, independent minded, for whom this is not a job and who are by the respected across the country and who would be aggressive and not be themselves as catering to their own political party. >> host: who is the current chair? >> guest: i have no idea. that's how much is doing. i've no idea who is the chair for what it's doing and i haven't seen anything done. it's been at least since i left and i do what they're doing. >> host: election 2004. why did you leave? tesco i left because my term is going to be a in

that is an awfully long time and the commission at the staff and commission level has exercised a great deal of indulgence and patience for which, you know, we're deeply grateful. at the same time, although i am here not in any authorization from the task force, but i think i do reflect a consensus of the task force when i ask that any final decisions on the regulations be put off further and again, i know this is has dragged on seemingly indeterminable, but the consensus on the task force is that we would like to have some time, a month, maybe two months for members of task force to familiarize themselves with this particular issue and then we could move forward from there . >> also a member of task force, but speaks as an individual. i will save my global comments to the end when we consider the alternative decision of whether to adopt it at this time. with respect to the definitions, i wanted to call attention on page 3 of the overall draft. item q referral and this came up in the last discussion. the supervisor of records under the ordinance only has the limited power to review whet

i am julie and the commission of status of woman. i would like to introduce andrea and we r we expect rebecca soon and next to that is alisa and kay. we have a quorum. >> well thank you very much commissioner and thank you very much inspector monroe. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the wednesday december 5, 2012 meeting and it's a joint meeting with the status of women. this is a mo mentus meeting and this is the third time we did a joint meeting and this one is a very important meeting tonight and a lot of work has gone into it and i would like to thank the commissioner on the status of women and thank commissioner loftus. she has been proactive. we had several meetings. before we go on we have different types of meetings in the community we introduce the commissioners and who they are during the day jobs and if that is possible i would like to start with dr. marshall. >> dr. joe marshall. i have been on the police commission for eight years, three terms. i am the cofounding executive director of make a boys club. i just want to me

>> the meeting of the commission is thursday. >> the planning commission is this thursday. >> is thursday. >> and that is like the final planning commission meeting and that then goes to the board of supervisors. >> got it. >> okay. >> all right. >> all right. so, i can wish you all a happy holiday and i close this meeting of the entertainment commission. >> we are all done. >> in the auditorium and can we all stand please for the pledge of allegiance. >> pledge one and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> mr. president, i would like to call roll for the police commission. >> please do. >> president mazzucco. >> present. >> vice president mar. >> here. >> commissioner dejesus in route. >> commissioner chan. >> present. >> commissioner kingsley. >> present. >> commissioner turman. >> here. >> commissioner loftus. >> here. >> we're have a quorum and also with us is the director much occ joyce hicks and i believe the chief of police is in route. we have a quorum. >> thank you. i am julie and the commission of status of wo

when the commission, the successor commission, have a meeting and no one shows up in the meeting is canceled and then you come here and you see people being nominated and the community have not been involved in it other than within their little close circles and i say to you that we look forward to them being on board but we question, we will question the decisions that they make because the decisions that they make will affect the community and since we did not have any input up front, we will question them and we will want to know why and who developed, who there in the car with in terms of who they make these decisions for. and that's what we have been missing in the community. we have not been missing representatives but we've been missing some type of tangibles that give the community some type of hope. right now, like i said before, you have been whistling past the graveyard for so long that the community have not been, the community's not dead yet. and i say to you watch the decisions that are made and how it affect our community because we will come back to you because you are the on

commission president fong? >> here. >> commission vice president wu? >> here. >> commissioner antonini is here, but, commissioner borden? >> here. >> commissioner hillis? >> here. >> commissioner moore? >> here. >> and commissioner sugaya? >> here. >> commissioners, first on your item items proposed for continuance. item 1, case no. 2012.1381t, inclusionary housing updates, it is proposed for continuance december 30 13th, 2012. item 2, 2012.1306tz, review of two ordinances (planning code text amendment and zoning map amendment) that would rezone parcels in the upper market ncd to the upper market nct, planning code and zoning map amendments, proposed for continuance to february 21st, 2013. item 3, case no. 2012.1168c, 793 south van ness avenue, request for conditional use authorization is proposed for continuance to january 24th, 2013. items 4a, b and c for case numbers 2009.0 724 d, 2012.0 888 d, and 2009.0 724 v at 2833 through 2835 fillmore street, mandatory discretionary reviews and variance have been withdrawn. further on your -- under your regula

when did this all rights commission begin? >> 1957. president eisenhower had a lot of discussion with john foster dulles the secretary of state because of the races around the world people would hear about and read about and the fact there seemed to be episodes whether lynching or discrimination in the country. eisenhower said he would ask congress to set up a civil-rights commission to put the facts on the table and i am told by someone at the meeting he slammed the table and they will put the facts on the table. policy is sometimes said up because there is a tough problem is that the report then they go away but in the future would depend on what it found out and how aggressive it was in the public thought about it. >>host: initially it was set up as a temporary commission? >>guest: right. the right age one year before the overall crisis. it was too diffuse part of the crisis to present a better image of the country to the world. if on the way they could recommend solutions, that would be great. >>host: who was the first commission?

so the commission wanted to ensure that that commission or that decision was sort of coming in. the presumption is a violation has occurred when had he come here. so the respondent has to show why the task force was incorrect in making that decision for you to move on the show-cause part, not chapter 3. so i don't know if that will necessarily -- that would wind up changing the entire show-cause procedure probably or basically taking the presumption of a violation occurred out, if that was to happen. >> i was trying to think outloud as to whether we could maintain that presumption while switching around the vote. but maybe not. >> can we simply say at a meeting attended by four or more commissioners. a meeting or meetings? >> you still run the risk. >> or participation of four or more commission members? >> you still run the risk of 2-2? >> could you add one more thing? when we have hearings, we always endeavor to have all five commissioners here. so it's been very rare that that hasn't happened. i think it's only happened once and that was not for a part of a hearing, but to ma

my name is rad sahad, i am president of the asian commission. i am here to pay my respects to leroy king, i have known him and i've got in front of him so i first of all want to do that. secondly i want to say that not just the other community but asian indian community also supports commissioner king to be reappointed. we think he brings great wisdom and is fair and i'm delighted personally that he is on the board, on this new commission, the commission on community investment and infrastructure, if i got that right. i'm also here to support the nomination of mara rosales who i have known since 1985 when she was assistant city attorney. worked with her when we were trying to bring asian indians into the mlp program. enough has been said about her so i'm not going to say anything further. i am in support of all the members. >> thank you, mr. sahar, thank you for being here. >> madam supervisors, al norman, baby merchants, southeast commission. i am here in support of all of the candidates here this evening. i have a personal relationship with mr

commission. i think you properly pointed out that holiday that follow on a saturday within that week are something we should consider, but potentially considering eliminating fifth thursdays off and including a holiday which falls right between the two days would be something i am definitely open to. >> commissioner antonini. >> my sediments are the same particularly with january 31 because we're off on the third and i realize it's not the holiday but i know staff has to prepare and the first would cut into their preparation for having a hearing on january 3 but i think we should add the 31 so we have four in that month. i don't think if it doesn't fall on the day that we meet we shouldn't take it off with the exception of the first day of chanukkah was on the five of december and i think we would have that off because i think the holiday is celebrated over a period of days but the first day is the most important and that is up to the discretion of the commissioners and i'm not sure where we coul

for approval, is this current policy with the health commission? >> that is consistent with their current policy, that is correct, madam chair, supervisor avalos. >> thank you very much. to the department, those two recommendations, wanted to hear from you. one sounds like it is a policy that is already dictated by the health commission, your department. second one we've actually seen a previous item like this at the department of health that came before on contingency for prospective expenses versus things that we've already done. we took that recommendation previously. any comments on these two recommendations? >> we concur with the first recommendation. on the second one we bring every contract to the health commission prior to coming to the board. so, we actually met that requirement of the second recommendation. >> we have somewhat of a disagreement with dph on this in our audit that we recently completed on professional services contracts. we actually did recommend that they limit the contingency to 10% so it was consistent with health commis

at this time members of the public may address the commission within the jurisdiction of the commission including item 10 today. as noted this case for the western soma community plan rezoning of adjacent parcels and the project and certification of the environmental impact report. the public hearing is closed. public comment ended on august 6, 2012 and the planning commission doesn't conduct final review of eir's but the public comment of certification maybe presented to the planning commission during this time of the agenda. with respect to all other agenda items your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when the item is reached in the meeting. each member of the public may address the public for three minutes and i have several speaker cards. >> okay. calling a few names and if you want to line up on that side of the room would be easiest. (calling speaker names). >> linda chapman for knob hill neighbors. i brought somebody in and you can pass it around and i am getting tremendous emails and phone calls from the local methodist pastor who is active and revitalizing

and the commission accepted that. but at the same time, they were raising money and spending money that had the effect of a campaign while not being regulated. >> could we solve it by having both in the definition? the one here and the one commissioner hur suggested? >> i wouldn't have a problem with that. >> in the sense that there are two holes in the dike and we need to plug them. [ laughter ] >> okay. my other comment on decision point 1 was do we want to limit it to public support? or is that too narrow? >> what provision are you looking at? >> i'm looking at a 1, shall mean my person, group of persons or entity that either receives contributions of $1,000 or more or makes expenditures of $1,000 in order to publicly support the election? >> you mean take the word "public" out of 2? the definition of "support?" >> i guess that would be redundant. >> i think there is some merit in thinking about taking the word "public" out of the definition of "support." because why would we allow people to take private -- spend m

and commission staff. i thank both of you for joining us. this past week commissioner mcdowell and i were part of the u.s. delegation to dubai where we worked together to defend free and open internet. i would note that members of committee staff on a bipartisan basis were there as well and we are fighting for internet freedom and openness. the situation in dubai right now is food, people are -- we have a strong american delegation on the ground led by ambassador kramer and including representatives from across government and the private sector. the situation is fluid. the issues are important and i think we all understand that this will not be the last conference at which these important issues arise and fighting for internet freedom and openness is something we will all be working on together for quite some time. in the u.s. the broadband sector is strong and the u.s. has regained global leadership in mobile communications. we have more healthy subscribers than the rest of the world combined, and setting

for their distribution and so if the commission would like to see these specific recommendations the hp c provided that would amend the general plan amendment in that resolution, it may be more appropriate to at least consider those options now. >> and they only have one, two, 345 specific recommendations. the first one is to change the landmark's preservation board to hp c which i don't think we have an issue with. and the second one says western sonoma community plan should contain time line and implementation plan for specific action not quite sure what that means but it sounds okay. >>> well essentially those implement tax document for the plan that goes into the detail projected impact fee will accumulate and how it will be used but it's not my recognize recollection is that there was a concern that, that plan didn't go into the specifications or provide time lines they have project this the plan that they don't prioritize those project or policies in the plan as being important or more important to being taken implementation actions earlier than others and so that one was a lit

please aware that the commission doesn't tolerate any disruption or out burst of any kind. please turn off mobile devices. if you would like to speak fill out a card and speak into the microphone and state your name for the record. at this time i will call roll. >> commissioner fong. >> here. >> commissioner wu. >> here. >> commissioner antonini. >> here. >> commissioner borden. >> commissioner sugaya. >> here. >> first is item one case at 1865 post street request for conditional use authorization is being proposed for continuance to february seven, 2013 at the request of the project sponsor requesting a further continuance than shown on the calendar. item two at 601 van ness avenue continual use continuance is requested. further under the regular calendar there is another request for item 15 at 2895 san bruno avenue request for continuance. that's all i have is there any public comment on the items proposed for continuance? seeing none. commissioner antonini. >> move to move items one and two to the date proposed and item 15 to january 17, 2013. >> second. >> >> on that mo

a joint meeting with the public utilities commission. my name is chair avalos, john avalos chair of the lafco. i am joined by other lafco members, commissioner olague and commissioner pimentel. this is a joint committee so i will pass on the mic on our chair from the public utilities commission. >> yes, art torres member of puc and other members. thank you very much for being here. we make a very legionary and strong quorum on this rainy day. >> okay. >> and of course our general manager is here as well, har an kelly and the staff of the puc. >> thank you. i want to thank sfgtv for their work broadcasting this meeting, and madam clerk if you could chair with us your announcements. >> please make sure to silence all electronic devices. speaker cards and any documents should be submitted to the clerk. >> okay. do you want to call the roll? you call the roll on puc. >> yes. >> president torres. >> here. >> commissioner. >> here. >> commissioner moran commissioner caen and cortni are both excused from today's meeting. >> okay. that serves as

emily, you and the commission have done wonderful work. keep doing that job, keep reminding us what we have to do, keep the agenda in front of us and keep educating our public. you know, our public sometimes in the enjoyment of success and our city is becoming more and more successful, we sometimes might have those moments that we forget how we got here. one of the things i just want to make sure you know, we would not be a successful city if we did not invest in our community-based organizations. that's the real secret in how we've been becoming successful in making sure we increase the numbers of women that are served or end the violent homicides or reduce the number of domestic violence cases or increase the number of women that serve on our commissions and our departments. it's working in the community constantly having that as our forefront, building strong communities. again, thank you very much and congratulations to all the honorees. thank you very much. (applause).

commission adams? >> yes. >> commissioner dooley? >> yes. >> commissioner dwight? >> yes. >> commissioner o'brien? >> yes. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena? >> yes. >> commissioner white is absent. >> commissioner yee riley? >> yes. >> commissioners that motion passes 6-0. >> great. thank you. next item, please. >> >> commissioners item no. 4 is discussion and possible action to adopt a small business commission policy statement on supermarket convenience zones. i believe the director has some remarks and then we'll have a presentation from the department of the environment. >> yes, commissioners the office became aware of some issue s around convenience zones and small businesses back in 2012 when we met with the business of south of market and so taking a look at the convenience zones and it's relationship -- the establishment of crv redemption convenience zones and it's relationship to small businesses has been something that has been on our docket to review and discuss with the commission and to set

please call 3c >> commission reports, commission president's report, discussion ?oo ?a i've already given my report, commissioners, anything you'd like to add? commissioner kingsley. >> i want to let my fellow commissioners know on the commissions we have for the november and december months i have reviewed the dgo810 report and signed off on that and for anybody that is not aware of what the dgo810 is about, essentially the police commission has the responsibility to review the report that's prepared by the department in connection with law enforcement on criminal matters in relationship to second amendment activities. and the commission is responsible for looking at that report and reviewing it for compliance and signing off on it. so let you know that happened. >> thank you very much, commissioner kingsley. commissioner loftus. >> yes, i just had a couple things. i think we talked a lot about the bravery and heroism and the crying, especially on my part, around officer gritch and cloud and thanks, commissioner mazzucco. i think it's important, i said it then, we oft

chapter 2 is referrals to the ethics commission. are there any questions or comments from the commissioners regarding chapter 2? >> the only comment i had and it's not very serious, but under "d" whether 2 and 3 should be reversed? 3 sort of sets out what is to be determined and then 2 is a vote. it just seems to me that the determination come before the vote. i don't feel strongly about it. >> i think that is a good point. >> yes. >> and i also have a question on that same paragraph, paragraph 2 under section d. so it refers to findings of facts and conclusions of law. and so i was just wondering what was exactly contemplated by that? is that something written or just orally? when the vote is taken? it's sort of a companion question to commissioner renne's point and then i see later in section e, under "orders," it says, "the commission will instruct staff to prepare written order reflecting the commission's findings." so then i was wondering if what was contemplated was the findings of fact and conclusions of law to be incorporate

i'm still struggling in my head to find where the commission would actually have the power under the charter or the ordinance to so order. i get you that make a finding and post it on the website and send it to whoever you want, send warning letters and all of that. it's just the power to order a respondent to cease and desist a violation or produce the record, i'm not sure i'm finding that explicitly in the ordinance or in the charter. and so i'm just trying to figure out where we grab that power from. we have already eliminated the financial penalty, but i'm just struggling to find that here. thanks. >> there were some good points raised. with respect to enforcement, i think it gives us some enforcement authority. exactly what kind i agree is ambiguous. i think if it means anything it has to mean the ability to actually enforce. and demand that the records be turned over. with respect to the two different standards voting whether it's three commissioners vote and that there is no violation or vote there is a fining of a violation, that has to do with the burden of proof, because in

this commission considered the ordinance. and you recommended approval with the modifications, the mayor included all of the modifications in the ordinance. last week supervisor elsbernd successfully added an exemption on non-profits of you heard the california medical center's eir was continued until january of next year and there was an appeal of a categorical exemptionion for the mta's bikeway projects. the mta approved this project. and the town's concerns included topics such as traffic, pedestrian safety, loading of emergency vehicle access, air quality parking and the cumulative analysis. it did cover all of these topics and since the project would not have a significant impact. at the hearing some supervisors questioned if the appellant's concerns were not ceqa-related, but rather on the merits of project. supervisor elsbernd commented this was a wonderful example of why it should be adopted since the appellant's issues had nothing to do with ceqa concerned. and lastly a new ordinance sponsor by board president chiu t