commissionerc- have that exhibit in front of you? >> where would i look? >> exhibit 83. commissioner renne: the first conversation took place at to -- 1at 11 a.m. >> could you help me? ok, which time? we just talked about that. i understand now. commissioner renne: that is the conversation which told me at the conclusion of which there had been a domestic violence incident. >> but not a domestic violence cycle. my conclusion is that she was not in a cycle of domestic violence in my conclusion from her words and a stocking is that she was not in danger. she was not afraid of ross. >> in the first conversation, she relates to use the events of december 31, 2011. >> not all the events. everything i told you already. the commission as well as everyone. i did not have all the details. commissioner renne: it only had the details that she told you, right? at the conclusion of that call, you came to the conclusion that there was a domestic violence related incident. >> yes. commissioner renne: that occurred on december 31? >> yes. commissioner renne: looking again at that same e