we will briefly introduce senator 1136 years on the armed services committee serving as committee chair and ranking member for 36 years on the governmental affairs committee now known as homeland security of governmental affairs where he chaired or part of several oversight subcommittees including the's permanent subcommittee on investigations and in these roles he led investigations into everything from social security disability to defense procurement to lobbying and ron and money laundering and that operating with a commitment to bipartisanship and the fax and the vast majority of the findings and recommendations and those investigative reports were supported by members from both sides of the aisle. retired from the senate in 2015 and now lives in detroit where he had the 11 center serving as senior counsel at the heitman law firm and we are happy to be here today to give this award. [applause] . >> thank you for the introduction and thank you to all those organizations you have done a terrific job it comes at a truly critical time so your timing could not be better also my thanks to

for 36 levin served years on the armed services committee where he served as committee chair and ranking member. and for 36 years on the governmental affairs committee now known as homeland security and governmental affairs where he chaired or was ranking member of several oversight subcommittees including many years on the permanent of investigations. he led everything from the social security disability program to defense procurement to lobbying disclosure, irs seizure policy, and run, money laundering, tax evasion and the 2008 financial crisis. he operated with a commitment to bipartisanship and the facts. the result of which has meant the vast majority of his findings, recommendations, and investigative reports were supported by members of both sides of the aisle. senator levin retired from the summit in 2015. he now lives in detroit where he heads the leaven center, teaches at wayne ball and serves as senior counsel to a law firm. we are grateful he can be here today to present the award. today to give t [applause] senator 11: thank you so much, bob and for the work that you do at t

that he has for this committee. is it doable? >> the transportation committee has shown that it can get a lot done. it is becoming increasingly partisan as revenue has become more of a problem. teetering onbeen the brink of insolvency for years now. it has been hard to get the political wheel to raise new revenue. that is the biggest sticking point. other than that, transportation infrastructure is one of the places in congress where democrats and republicans worked together. >> it is fascinating to me that the congressman said the a $.25nt would support increase in the gas tax. i would be curious what senate republican reactions were. that he said he was pretty much alone in supporting that among republicans. it also speaks to the new dynamics that we have and how like ase and senate is three-way negotiation. he knows that filling potholes is not something private industry can make money off of. i'm curious whether a gas tax proposal goes anywhere. some viewers will remember george bush one got in a lot of trouble for raising th

he served for 36 years on armed services committee where he served as both committee chair and ranking member and for 36 years on the governmental affairs committee and now own as homeland security where he chaired or ranking member of several oversight committees including some 15 years on the permanent subcommittee on investigations. in these roles he led investigations into everything from the social security disability program, to defense procurement, to lobbying disclosure, irs seizure policy, enron, money laundering, tax evasion and the 2008 financial crisis. he operated throughout that period with a commitment to bipartisanship and the facts. the result of which has meant the vast majority of his findings, recommendations and investigative reports were supported by members from both sides of the aisle. senator levin retired from the senate in 2015. he now lives in detroit, where he heads the levin center, teaches at wayne law, and serves as senior council at honigman law firm. we're grateful he could be here today to present this award. senator levin. [applaus [applause] >> than

defazio has committee, is it doable? >> the transportation committee it can get a lot done, that it does -- it's increasingly partisan as revenues have become more of a problem. kelly was mentioning, the fund has been teetering on the brink of insolvency for years now and to get theard political will to raise sustainable new revenues to shore it up. but i know that's one of the top priorities of both peter defazio ranking member, sam graves, on the republican side. stickinghe biggest point. other than that, really transportation infrastructure is of the few places in congress where democrats and republicans really do work well.er pretty >> really fascinating to me that thatessman defazio said president donald trump would support a 25 cent increase in tax.as i'd be really curious to hear what senate republicans' were.ons also, very interesting to me that he said to us that, you pretty much alone in supporting that among republicans. but, you know, it also kind of speaks to the new kind of themic that we have in white hous

it passed out of my committee unanimously. paul ryan killed it through the rules committee. i think most americans say, i am paying the tax and they are stealing the money? it makes republicans uncomfortable. that should be easy. number two, our airports are gated out, it leads to higher ticket prices, people sitting on the tarmac waiting to get a gate. it leads to longer time in the airport because we haven't reconfigured security needs. we need to allow airports to increase the facility charge, a program i was the democratic author of many years ago. we haven't allowed an increase in over 20 years, so that is part two and part three is the big one. surface transportation. that is outside my jurisdiction in terms of funding. i have been meeting with richie neal, the incoming chair of ways and means. he is supportive of the need of a revenue source. probably doing bonding with some kind of dedicated revenue, but a large number. my hope is we will do a short-term within six months infrastructure package out of the house. that is not just my jurisdiction. for my jurisdiction,

he served for 36 years on the armed services committee, where he served as both committee chair and ranking member. and for 36 years on the governmental affairs committee, now known as how many days, where he chaired or was ranking member of several oversighing subcommittees, including 15 years on the perm subcommittee on investigations. in these roles he led investigations into everything from the social security disability program to defense procurement, to lobbying disclosure,ism r.s. seizure policy, enron, monday laundering, tax evasion and the 2018 financial crisis. he operated throughout that person with a commitment to bipartisanship and the facts. it meant the vast majority of his findings, recommendations and reports were supported by members from both sides of the aisle. senator levin retired from the senate in 2015. he now lives in detroit, teaches at wayne law and serves as senior counsel at the law firm. we are grateful he would be presented here today. senator levin. applause. lause] . >> thank you for the introduction >> thank you for your work at the lawson and the levin cen

comes from this committee, goes to the full board, then if there's other committee persons who are, or people not on the committee that have not opined, and you know, i've seen it happen both ways. it will come to the full board, discuss it, but most likely if we do our work correctly, limited amount of discussion at the full board, and this is just sticking with the integrity of the process. so, that's why i would like to continue to do the work here in committee so we can continue to work on it. supervisor stefani. >> thank you. supervisor cohen. i, so -- we were in committee last week, and we continued it this time. i'm, you know, i found director rafael's remarks persuasive and i believe the legislation is well intentioned and we have been doing some work on it. wondering what you would think about taking it, or sending it to the full board without recommendation. so we have two weeks to work on it then and at least get it out of committee, and work on it at that time. >> i don't understand the urgency to move something out of committee. the purpose of committee is work on it. s

committee. i like him a lot, he is a great friend, but i don't like this bill and i don't respect this process. we are here today with the majority's last-ditch effort to ram through another partisan tax bill combf the end of this congress. and like so many of the republican tax bills that came before it, this legislation hasn't been considered by the relevant committee. there was no hearing. there was no markup, regular order was thrown to the wind. and republicans didn't even consult with us you democrats on this legislation. this 300-page bill was drafted in the dark of night behind some closed door in a back room. the majority has abandoned any semblance of responsible governing. they are discussing how this is a commonsense plan as a result of negotiation. are they discussing the same bill? this one was introduced late monday night. democrats learned about it after it was released to the press. to claim otherwise is revisionist history. this legislation goes beyond a tax extenders' deal. th

the oversight and government reform committee, which oftentimes select committees are formed from, the members of that committee will be doing questioning interrogation of actual officials of administration and the operations that go there from there. >> pedro: do issuing supeenas become part of that? >> stacey: yes it does unless they give the information up. there has been in the past information that we have requested that administrations have readily supplied that information, thousands of documents, millions of documents as it comes to the staff of the oversight and government reform committee. the subpoenas are requested when there is retsuspects or a push-back from the administration to be propriety. to share with the rightful body to oversee them, that being the legislative body what's going on within the executive branch. >> pedro: you may know the name kurt bardella. he was a member of the senior advisers for oversight and government reform committee, he was a democrat or republican -- became a democrat. he has an op-ed, he says does anyone talking about a flurry of investiga

the energy and commerce committee has jurisdiction over drinking water. frank and i have been talking about doing a joint bill because you cannot isolate those two things. one goes out in the wastewater is potential contaminants for the drinking water. we are talking about a major initiative that would come from both committees. we are in the early stages. it is easier for me to point to the funding for harbors or airports or roads, bridges, highways and transit, we have to get creative on funding sources for that. >> obviously there is more to talk to you about and will be doing that when you take over as a transportation infrastructure committee chair. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> i will begin with you. has for thisat he committee, is it doable? committeensportation has shown a can get a lot done. asis becoming partisan revenue has become more of a problem as kelly mentioned. teetering foreen years now. it is been hard to get the political wheel to raise new revenue. a note that is one of the priorities of the incoming ranking member. s

at 4 p.m., the house veterans affairs committee looks into payment delays. at 7:30 p.m., c-span's road to the white house features ohio's john kasich speaking. when we study the history of memphis, tennessee, there is and april 4, 1968 post-april 4, 1968. >> memphis was the place of a lot of racial tension, but also a place of racial harmony. had there been no comic-con economy, there might not have for this need transportation, but it is also possible memphis might not exist in the 21st century. >> this weekend, we take you to memphis, tennessee. beginning saturday at 7 p.m. eastern on book tv, the author talks about his book "down to the crossroads." about civil rights, black power, and the march against fear. an author charles hughes speaks about his book. on sunday at 2 p.m. eastern on american history tv, the history of cotton in memphis during the mid-19th century. and then a visit to the national civil rights museum. watch c-span's cities tour of memphis, saturday at 7 p.m. eastern and on american history tv on c-span3. >> a 2017 trump administration

this was legislation that passed the ju ware committee on the 26th. it's rare there's such bipartisan legislation in the u judiciary committee, yet it passed. in the intervening time, we have sent 49 nominations district and circuit court judges to the senate floor for a vote and 50 are received a vote. there was one in cue. so it's not that everything from the judiciary committee has been lying here waiting for action. these have been good votes. we've needed to move these ju judges through, but this is priority now. given in april for not bringing it to a floor vote. clearly it's not the case now. attorney general has been fired. and the authority and oversight from rod rosenstein. who has expressed hostility to the mueller investigation. so senator. >> thank you, senator flake. i appreciate the ongoing working partnership on the judiciary committee and on foreign relations. we just called for a unanimous consent vote and the majority leader came out and objected. i appreciate there are many colleagues mostly in the other part who said there's nothi

committee, the oversight committee, there are a number of committees, depending on how we do go downncial services committee, did i say intelligence? 0, homeland security committee, because of course, we are ashamed as a nation bya course, we are ashamed as a nation by a policy that takes babies out of the arms of their mothers, that builds tents and all the rest to house people that... 0k, we have been listening to nancy pelosi, who is almost certain to become the new speaker of the house of representatives on the democratic party. it has been a fascinating couple of hours, firstly, donald trump laid out his thoughts on the results, now we have had nancy pelosi speaking, and jockeying has begun for the position here. she recognises this as a new era and president trump has to deal with a democratic controlled house of representatives. things will change in washington, will there be cooperation between the two? or will there be confrontation and conflict? from what we have heard so far, confrontation does not look far away. that is it from me in washington, dc. stay with us, because

committee, the oversight committee, the -- a number of committees depending on how we go down the path, financial services committee, did i say intelligence? ohmland security committee. because -- homeland security committee. because of course we are shamed as a nation by a policy that takes babies out of the arms of their mothers, that builds tents and all the rest to house people that they're separating families. we want to look into that. we hope we can do so by simply having oversight. if in fact it requires a subpoena, i hope not, but so be it. >> a followup on that. do you think it was a mistake for the democrats to stay silent on the heated rhetoric from the president, and some republican senators, the republicans kept the control of the senate and some of them ran on this anti-immigrant rhetoric. are you in hindsight maybe thinking that that was a mistake for democrats to stay silent? ms. pelosi: i urged our colleagues not to take the bait on what the president was putting out there. it's a dangerous issue on the campaign trail because of the misrepresentations that are put out

it's not that everything from the judiciary committee has been waiting here for action. we've done a lot. these have been good votes. we've needed to move these judges through. but -- this is priority now. the justification given in april for not bringing it to a floor vote was that nobody was being fired, nothing to see here. special counsel mueller was not in any danger that clearly is not the case now. the attorney general has been fired. and the authority and the oversight for the investigation was taken away from rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, and given to someone who has not been senate-confirmed, who has expressed open hostility to the mueller investigation. senator thune? senator thune: thank you, senator flake. i appreciate the ongoing working partnership i enjoy on the judiciary committee and public relations. we just called for a unanimous consent vote, the majority leader came out an objected. i appreciate that there are many colleagues, mostly in the other party who said there's nothing to worry about here, that there's no reason to be concerne

the oversight and government reform committee, which is often times where the select committees are formed from the willrs of that committee, be doing questioning, interrogation of actual officials of the administration and the operations that go from there. host: does issuing subpoenas become part of that? guest: it does, unless they give , you know?tion up in the past, there is information we have requested that administrations have readily supplied. thousands of documents, millions of documents that have come to the staff of the oversight and government reform. subpoenas are issued when there is reticence or push back against being transparent, sharing with the rightful body that oversees them, the legislative body. host: you might know the name kirk gardella -- senior advisor oversight committee, a republican who became a democrat . he had an idea about subpoenas and the trump administration. anyone talking about a flurry of investigations and subpoenas is falling into a darrell issa trap of taking a smart, strategic step back -- instead of doing so. ultimately, the results will speak

i'm a member of your committee, sir. i know that you would want any judge from your great state that you would want to at least the courtesy of having a meeting, sir, i offer you right now, this nominee, to sit with them in my office to have the courtesy conversation and menendez, i would like to speak to my colleague, and i imagine that he would want that courtesy that any senator that's a member of your committee would want, we've never denied a meeting with this person. as a duly elected senator from new jersey for a nominee that has served in my city that i was a mayor of is a matter of grace as i'm asking you to extend to me the opportunity to have this hearing and to have a more substantive conversation with this nominee. i will meet with him now in my office. >> no, i won't. and by the way, just -- if you want to keep this session going, remember what you're putting these families and these nominees at stake if you want to delay this hearing. they spent a lot of money and a lot of time to get here and sometimes we

anything else from either of the committees?> i joined judge ericsson and great thanks to everyone who testified here. >>> join american history tv for live coverage of the international conference on world war ii from the national world war ii museum in new orleans. starting saturday at 9:00 a.m. eastern discussing d-day, the war with japan and world war ii unheralding commanders and lessons learned from the war. watch the international conference live saturday starting at 9:00 a.m. eastern on american history tv on c-span3. >>> now from the justice department inspector general michael horowitz spoke about his role at a summit on federal government oversight here in washington. the project on government hosted this event. it's about an hour. >> so, just in case you don't know it's hard to believe if you're in the oversight community. as well as inspector general of the department of justice. we have some things to talk about. >> all quiet. >> nothing going on. so, the first thing i wanted to talk to you about

understanding that, if that is a consideration, all i ask the committee is to support it out of committee without recommendations so that we can have an up or down vote at the board of supervisors. if we don't have six members of the board ready to support this amendment to, it will not move forward to. or may be moved forward at a later time in the year. but out of respect for our offices, i do ask for an up and down vote for this program. a couple of things that i will mention, because i don't think i need to belabour the point, there is so much so -- his on the other aspects of this program that we did not covered. we did not cover undocumented students and three city today. that is because undocumented students are considered no different than for international students and they pay, i forget what the directors with the dollar amount is, to pay $200 a unit to attend. we have not figured out a solution yet for undocumented students that are san francisco residents. i hope, as his program continues to move forward that we figure out a way to include undocumented students and how to incl

so to see bipartisan bill of compromise, brought to committee to be voted out of committee see bill languish without a vote to get more than 60 votes to provide a reasonable check and balance so now the urgency in this moment but the senator has already gone over the firing of jeff sessions that was said to be fired by a president who literally said i would not have hired you if i didn't thank you would recuse yourself and to talk about this investigation and to call it a witchhunt and compromise himself the idea that it continues under his leadership that is why the bill is necessary. more thanre that we are a nation that is or has been or will be under attack. all intelligence agencies have come to the conclusion they are under attack. we need to understand what is happening and how to prevent that from happening again and hold people accountable. investigation has led to numerous indictments and should be able to run its course without interference so i conclude to say not a congressman or senator or mayor or governor or president of the unitedr, states no one in the country is above the

mr gove was speaking to the commons environment committee we re to the commons environment committee us. i've seen figures from a number of organisations that said... juan figallo scene is one in 66 people a year, another is one in 70, they succumbed to food poisoning, in the states it is one in six. why is that when there's not a no problem with food production? —— there's no problem —— one figure i've seen. 0ne problem —— one figure i've seen. one reason why you have washing in chlorine or other chemicals is that there was a risk as a result of having chickens in essence kept in circumstances where their welfare was compromised and they were kept in circumstances where the amount of space that each individual bird had was less than we would allow in the united kingdom. that increased the risk of infection, and that increased risk of infection was dealt with with chlorine washing so it started as an element welfare issue but it has human health implications —— animal welfare. chlorine washing resolves the question of food safety for anyone consuming the chicken, but it doesn't tackl

sir 436 years on the armed services committee where he served as both committee chair and ranking member and for 36 years on the governmental affairs committee now known as homeland security and governmental affairs where he chaired or was ranking member of several oversight subcommittees including 15 years on the permanent subcommittee on investigations. in these roles he let ossetians into everything from the social security, disability program, to defense procurement, to lobbying disclosure, iris she's her policy, enron, money laundering, tax evasion and the 2018 financial crisis. he operated data. with a commitment to bipartisanship in the facts. the result of which has met the bad that the majority of its findings and recommendations investigative reports were supported by members from both sides of the aisle. senator levin retired from the senate in 2015 and now lives in detroit where he heads the levin center and teaches that when law and serves as senior counsel at the law firm. we are grateful he could be here today to present this award. senator levin. [applause] >> thank you s

if you want to come up to committee on the 26th, you should make it committee then and continue it. >> actually thought i did that motion. i would like to make a motion to adopt the amendments today and again, this is one of the challenges of the brown act is that land use committee members cannot discuss these policies prior to the committee hearing. is great to hear from my colleagues about what they would like to say. i went make the motion to adopt the amendments as i articulated. >> thank you. can we do that without objection >> can you restate the amendments, please? >> the amendment is to eliminate the minimum parking requirements citywide. >> that is the amendments? >> that is the amendment. the reason why i will not read all of it into the record is because we had to rework huge swaths of the planning code to eliminate the minimum parking requirements throughout the planning code. but what the amendment does will illuminate minimum parking requirements. if you would like a member -- >> that's fine. oh, gosh. supervisor tang. >> i'm sorry. we are confirming when the thanksgivi

committees, i'm a big believer in the committee system. our committees will make their recommendations to the caucus. you can be sure when we go down these paths we will know what we are doing and we will do it right. >> there is going to be an historic number of women. how are they going to take the institution when you and your team's day at the top. how will they have room to advance? they have to decide they want to run. many people like making their mark in their committee and that is a decision they have to make. , nowpeople have said to me that we have more women coming in will we have more emphasis on childcare? we have a big emphasis on that. we need to make it stronger in the majority. in our across the board caucus. i don't want women only. women's rolent to in the workplace. i want women to not just be talking about those issue. we view every issue as a women's issue. country security of our , national security, issues that relate to energy. they are women's issues. dot i have always tried to with everyone is, if they are inter

tax writing committee. and he's going to have a lot of power. >> he keeps getting re-elected from the state of massachusetts. >> access to the president's tax returns. let's put up that graphic again because i want to bring people's attention to a few of the other chairmen. so obviously this is just -- we're just projecting. we don't know this is what's going to happen. but in all likelihood nancy pelosi will be speaker. jerrold nadler, very, very feisty democrat from manhattan, will be the chairman of the house judiciary committee. we assume. congressman elijah cummings, who's been the ranking democrat on the house oversight and government reform committee, he's been through republicans controlling that committee, darrell issa's tenure, trey gowdy's tenure, the benghazi -- >> so contentious. >> the benghazi investigation and all the like. now finally he will be able to be the chairman of that committee. and look right next to richie neal at the bottom right. adam schiff. zplun like richard neal he is on tv

any amendment you make today will trigger a continuance in this committee to another committee hearing. you could make an amendment extending the set aside to the 2040-41 fiscal year. the -- the other proposal you have to add in an additional review in 2030, we haven't yet drafted. we could draft it for the next committee hearing, but with charter amendments, we want you to be voting on something that's written in front of you because they're so difficult to change, so i wouldn't want to come up with that on the fly. >> supervisor yee: that would be my -- i would love to see a 20-year period and have a ten-year evaluation, but that's going to cause a delay in passing this out of committee. i don't know if supervisor kim, if you would have any objections to that? >> supervisor kim: no. so i am making two amendments to the charter today, so i'm expecting a special committee meeting on monday. if the committee so chooses to make that amendment, we can make that. just so you know on page 5, lines 3 and 4, the charter amendment already requires that in fiscal year 2027-28, the controller sh

financial services committee, intelligence, homeland security committee. of course we are shamed as a , nation by a policy that takes babies out of the arms of their mothers, that builds tents and all the rest. we want to look into that. we would hope we could do so by simply having oversight. if it requires a subpoena, i hope not, but so be it. thinkhindsight's, do you it was a mistake to stay silent on the rhetoric from the president and some republican senators? the senators kept control of the senate and some ran on this anti-immigrant rhetoric. are you in hindsight thinking that was a mistake? rep. pelosi: no, i do not. i urged our colleagues not to take the bait and with the president was putting out. very dangerous issue because of misrepresentation put out there. you don't win a fight by fighting the same fight. you win by sticking with the program for the people. lower health care costs, bigger paychecks, cleaner government. that produced a victory for us in spite of the gerrymandering the republicans have done could i have no regrets. >> they are

committee, the wellight committee, the -- a number of committees depending on how we go down that path. agile services committee -- natural services committee. did i say intelligence? homeland security committee. of course we are shamed as a nation by a policy that takes babies out of the arms of their mothers, that builds tents and all the rest. we want to look into that. we hope we can do that with simply having oversight. if in fact it requires a subpoena, i hope not, but so be it. reporter: in hindsight, do you think it was a mistake for democrats to stay silent on all of the heated rhetoric from the president and some republican senators? i mean, the republicans kept control of the senate and some of them ran on this anti-immigrant rhetoric. are you in hindsight thinking that was a mistake for democrats to stay summit? -- stay silent? rep. pelosi: no. i urged our colleagues not to take the bait and with the president was putting out. very dangerous issue because of misrepresentation put out there. fight by win a fighting that same fight. you win by sticking with the program for th

both the code of conduct committee and the judicial conduct and disability committee have responded to the careful recommendations provided by the working group. some of the proposed amendments are new. some expand or clarify rules already in place. today, we seek your views on the proposed changes. i'm pleased to introduce the members of the kuconduct and disability compete who are present. judge barker, judge duvina, judge flaum, judge hogan, judge rattle, and judge gritzner. thank you very much. >> the first panel for this morning is chief judge lawrence o'neill who is the chief judge of the eastern district of california. welcome, judge. and i'll just note for your edification that we have you down with, quote, no time limit, but we have you on the calendar for 30 minutes. so you're free to expend that time, if you will. >> is okay. thank you. first of all, let me thank all of you for two things. one, for putting yourselves out not just professionally, but personally. everybo every one of us who have ever dealt with a matter of this sensitivity and this import knows full well that

and to debate the resolution in the foreign relations committee. the chairman of that committee, my friend and colleague from tennessee, senator corker requested this with the commitment to bring forth legislation to actually appropriately deal with many of the issues relative to yemen, saudi arabia and ourselves. since then the committee has held a hearing on this issue and introduced a separate bipartisan bill to address it. but no further action has been taken. and so, today, eight months later, the bloodshed continues, still embedded by the united states. even amidst further revelations of the saudi depravity. it u is long past overdue congrs removed that u.s. forces from yemen as recent circumstances only confirm. today we had the chance to remedy the course of action, and to do what the constitution and justice demand. the situation in jenin is dire. the war has killed tens of

number six, advisory committee reports and advisories to committees by board members. number one, we have a report from the parent advisory council. >> good evening commissioners, superintendent dr. matthews. i'm the vice chair of p.a.c. i have twin girls, student who study at guadalupe school. the role of the parents advisory council is to represent parents' voices and prospective to inform education policies discussions. the report presented the p.a.c.s priorities for this year and reasons and up coming activities. >> hi, commissioners and dr. matthews and president cook. i'm naomi -- can you hear me? [inaudible] >> you have to make sure your little red button is on. i don't think it's on. >> there you go. >> good to go? okay. so i'll repeat just so everyone can hear. i'm naomi laguana, and i have a fifth grader at mckinley elementary, and i have a ninth grader at jewish high school. we met on october 18, and we finalized our priorities on the 2018-2019 school year. we're going to be focusing on the following areas: to strengthen contribution with the african america

i chaired the committee that passed health care. it is true we have strong leadership but we were also able to play a key role contrary to what the republican said. we sat around that table, democrats, it seemed like endlessly going through every important piece. host: i also read you were part of what was called the 4:00 caucus. what was that? if i asked you, you would be at a loss. i love to ask people what did you think of the 4:00 caucus in the ways and means committee and no one could answer. once or twice a week at 4:00. the committee used to meet a lot more than we meet today. a number of us would go down and play basketball. in those days you could give your vote to the chairman. we went down, a number of us. tom o'donnell, marty russo, , othersrgan, jim moody and myself. we would play basketball. it was very bipartisan. i was not the best shooter. my role was to take things off the backboard and to elbow. i had good elbows. there was one republican who had a wonderful shot and my job was to elbow him. so there were lots of