i am a date to junky like commissioner -- a data junky like commmissioner moran. i would love to see more data. but there's a lot lost in that. the data are complex and confusing as well. we have one agency in palo alto that is a multiple-utility agency. they have waste water, garbage, gas, fiber-optic. they cover all the utilities in palo alto. there were trying to make use of their data across different utilities to see if they could sort out the water conservation from the weather and the economic downturn. they had a lot of data. they are data junkies t 00. they could not make a lot of sense of it yet. the signals are not clear. most of us would like to take credit for the downturn in water usage being conservation. it is not so. palo alto had some good slides at the conference yesterday that showed the water conservation they can identify, but it does not explain the drop in water use. my concern is that most of that is economic downturn. hopefully, there will be lessons learned during that downturn and some of the savings will remain in place, but that is no