health partnership, and the renee fleming foundation. everything you're talking about requires a kind of buy-in from your communities, the arts world and the there still pushback? >> there's a bit, but i think we're getting some real momentum going. it doesn't hurt that scientists are also musicians, at least many of them are. this workshop, we invited multiple leadership at nih to come and take part, and they all said pretty much, yes, and they went away saying, that was even more interesting than i thought. jeffrey: a young person now goes to the music conservatory, you want them to study therapy, science, health? >> well, these would be divisions within a conservatory or university. but there's definite buy-in now. but when i started, people were saying exactly what you're saying, well, we have too much to do already with what we're doing, in terms of presenting, and we're strapped and the funding is difficult, etc. but i think pretty much everyone is on board now, because we're community service providers. so, i think people who run performing arts organizations and conservatories are starting to see the benefit of it. jeffrey: and the