owners to allow them to condoize, the concern is that we would quickly replace them with a new generation of t.i.c. owners, and potentially additional real estate speculation that could lead us right back to an identical debate within a short period of time and that's fundamentally an issue that i have with this particular proposal. and i would love an initial i guess comment on that, and certainly if there are suggestions from the public on this but to me that seems to be a fundmental piece that i wish was addressed by the legislation. >> chair wiener: president chiu, that is inherently speculation, nobody knows. to believe one side or another to me is something that we should not be doing. two things that i would articulate. first of all owner occupancy rules dictate there needs to be owner occupancy for a number of years before this is to be eligible for the condo lottery. in most instances it's three years for a certain amount of tenants for larger buildings it gets more complicated. the even potential chance for that to happen is years down the road. second of all what i would articu