what impressed me most was the statue of confucius on the top of his table. mr. lee kuan yew had succeeded in finding a development of a city state. both in the oriental culture and the rest earn culture. in a certain sense in terms of culture he made more use of the eastern culture but is he makes more use of the british system. >> rose: as i thank you for coming today you said to me thank secretary tooigt. secretary geithner says there he is again looking for leverage. (laughter) >> it is not until now that i feel a little bit more... this conversation. >> rose: so we can do more? >> yeah, we deal more. >> rose: dwoshd this again. good. my friends in china also say about you that you are a man who loves a quick reparte and that you're a great student of history. so perhaps we can talk more about economics but also history the next time. >> that's for sure. >> rose: francis fukuyama is here. he is an author, a senior fellow at stanford university. he's well known for his end of history and the last man. his new book is called "origins of political order." it loo

if you take the example of the beijing olympics or the shanghai expo, great confucius institutes, butthen you go and lock up lew saw bow and shoot yourself or in the foot. you undercut all that soft power you've invested in. so until china changes, i don't see it being able to come close to the americans in soft power either. now, you might say why worry about all this, why fuss? is this just another way we're number one and pretending we're the green bay packers or something? answer to that is, no. power is not good or bad per se. power, as i say in the book, is like calories and diet. too little of it, you die. too much of it you get obese. and, basically, we have to think about power in terms of what are smart strategies? how do we use our power effectively? one of the reasons it matters is you misjudge the relationships of power in the world, you can make big policy mistakes. you know, there's the famous quote that the pell to news yang war was caused by the rise of the power of athens and the fear it create inside sparta which people have transposed to world war i. world war i wa

if you take the example of beijing olympics, or you take the shanghai expo, greg confucius institutes, but then you go and to lock up folks, talk about -- toss out the nobel prize assembly, you cut yourself in the foot. so until china changes, i don't see it being able to come close to the americans soft power either. you might say why worry about all this, why fuss? is this just another way, we are number one, pretending we are the green bay packers or something? the answer to that is no. power is not good or bad per se. power is as i say in the book is like calories and i. too little and you die. too much of it you get obese. and basically we have to think about power in terms of what are smart strategies compatible user power effectively? one of the reasons it matters is you misjudge the relationships of power in the world that you can make big power mistakes. there's the famous quote that the war was called -- caused by the power of athens. people transpose to world war i, world war i was great by the rise of power of germany. and in many others are transporting it. to the future