we are not talking about this essentialist hinduism or 5,000 year confuciusism. it's more the immigrant experience. they come over, yeah, strong, middle kingdommite. the chinese have a very strong sense of exceptionalism. once you come to this country, that is all mixed up. you're an outsider. you have a funny accent and it's this dynamic interplay. >> may i go back to -- here's what the immigrant sect different idea can't explain. it can't explain mormon or jewish success. these are two big cases in our book. in addition to that -- there's two ideas of immigrant activity. one is coming over if higher education, and the other is bold. late look at education skills. over half of chinese immigrants do not go -- come over on visas. we have a stereo type who is coming over but most of them are not. so the chinese ones -- this community has been very well studied. the chinese ones who don't come over, there's mostly poor and many of them very poorly educated, and yet their kid -- this is documented because there's a large community of people have done the research. th