we should have talked to connally a lot sooner. i remember the day. it was april 22 when his deposition was taken in the commission. his clothes had been cleaned and pressed. they were important because of which way the fibers were. we had kennedy's jacket. the fibers went in. the shirt went in. with connally, they cleaned and pressed his suit. >> you found the maker of kennedy's shirt. is that correct? >> i went back and looked at them. >> on a separate trip with your wife in new york, you found the maker of the same material, the same shirt kennedy had worn? >> he had a label in his shirt , like shirts have labels, that said the address, i think on madison avenue. joan and i were walking in new york. i recollect it was november 9, 1964, the day my parents sailed for israel. i said, this is the place kennedy bought his shirt. i went in and they were tailor-made shirts. i found the bolt of cloth from kennedy's shirt. it was $24.95 as i recollect. i was tempted to have a shirt made, but it was a little beyond my reach. i said to the salesman, senator -

the second one hit governor connally. and the third one had president kennedy in the head, which was the fatal shot. but the staff determined, using film, that oswald would not have had time to fire off three individual bullets into the limousine. that did not have time, would suggest that there must be one other guy man in dealy p laza.the staff is committed that oswald acted alone. that perhaps one bullet had passed through both bodies. what the commission staff and i think subsequently a lot of serious scientists and technical teams have determined, that one bullet did pass through the bodies of both men and that this is a bullet. what surprise a lot of people is that this bullet was not much more damaged that appearsit. it's sometimes referred to as the preceding bullet. it is not fully pristine. scientistst -- some would say that they were at expected see much more damage. there are no rules. a lot of ballistic investigation is much more art th sciencean. all of the reliable scientific evidence suggested that this bu

the first olid hit president kennedy in the back, the second hit connally in the back, and the third one hit president kennedy in the head. determined,on staff , that oswald would not have time to fire off three individual will it's in to the limousine. that would suggest there had been at least one other gun man. the staff was convinced he acted alone. theory initially offered pathologists,navy that one bullet perhaps passed through both bodies. that is what the commission staff and subsequently what a lot of serious scientists have determined as a. one bullet passed through the bodies of both men and this is that bullet. what surprised a lot of people was this bullet wasn't much more --aged then it appears to me appears to be. as you can see it is not fully pristine, it was damage to some. some scientists say they would expect to see much more damage. .here are no rules here a lot of ballistics investigation is a lot more art than science. all of the most reliable scientific evidence, indeed this bullet did pass through both bodies. it turned up in the hospital after the presidents

nixon feels a kinship with connally, and he wants connally to run in 1976. everyone is coming to him and his saying, john connally because of the scandal, because he is john connally, cannot be confirmed. jerry ford is liked by everyone. he will stay through. charles did dell says so. i also saw literature where nixon told, i believe, nelson rockefeller and some other people who you would not think to be supporters of richard nixon, but the net was cast widely. everyone comes back with jerry ford, but who is number two? george bush. it wasn't his time yet. thank you. >> final question, bob. not part of the ford administration, but part of the ford story, that sort of weird moment at the 1980 republican convention where the was a brief moment when ford might have become reagan's vice presidential running mate, but he wanted to run half of the cabinet or something. what was that about? >> ronald reagan had gone through was a very bruising primary, and the second -- the runner-up was george bush. that nancy reagan did not like george bush. nancy reagan did not

with connally, they cleaned and pressed his suit your >> you found the maker of candies shirt. >> i went back and looked at them. >> on a separate trip with your wife, you found the maker of the same material, the same shirt kennedy had worn? shirthad a label in his that said the just -- the address i think on madison avenue. joan and i were walking in new york. i recollect it was november 9, 1964, the day my parents sale israel.el -- sailed for i said this is the place kennedy bought his shirt. i went in and they were tailor-made shirts. fromnd the bolt of cloth kennedy's shirt. it was $24.95 as i recollect. i was tempted to have a shirt made, but it was a little beyond my reach. senatoro the salesman, -- president kennedy bought his shirts here, dignity -- did not take -- didn't he? he rose and said we never disclose our clientele. how did you find out? i gave him a snappy response and said we never disclose our sources. >> is there anything you would have done differently looking back on the investigation? >> i would have liked to have had the x-rays and photos. i made a big fuss abou

with them was governor connally. >> how about the plane trip over from ft. worth to dallas?> i was with the president from the time he arrived in san antonio. i traveled in the car with him at all times. we flew over from ft. worth with him. he was jubilant about the reception he had. awaiting theagerly arrival in dallas. it is not a very long flight from dallas to fort worth. the president of in this entry have been targets for would-be assassins. to president kennedy, this was a risk that had to be taken. he loved to mingle and crowds. he got a president should see and be seen by the people. since the rain had stopped, there was no other reason for using one. backseat --n the kennedy sat on the backseat of an open convertible. warm of aived as reception as many city -- as in any city in this state. nelly turned around and said to the president, she was so impressed by the reception. she said, you can't say that dallas does not love you, too. he said, i think that is apparent. shape.ything is in good traffic is moving well. crowd along the edges. we were five minutes away f

a second bullet hit connally, was the fatalllet bullet that hit the president and the head. although those were corrected with medical testimony, within 24 hours, the fbi persisted in maintaining there were three bullets of the nature that i just outlined, and the staff, with the help of secret service and fbi agents, look at the film , the famous is router film, to look exactly at one each shot occurred, and to try to provide a sequence that would be consistent with the medical testimony and the ballistics evidence, and it just did not ring true. it was in the course of one of the sessions the group examining it, including professor rat like relikelic -- professor concluded that it was probably the case that once we learned there was a wounded the president's throat that had been enlarged in order to enable the president to recover if that was it was and it won't, and the question is where was the bullet that exited the , and the's throat group identified -- develop the idea that it had to hit either the car or someone else in the car because he was on a downward trajectory

with them was governor connally.he story he told the warren commission he repeated to eddie barker. >> how about the plane trip over from ft. worth to dallas? were you with the president? >> i was with the president from the time he arrived in san antonio. on the i traveled in the car 21st with him at all times. we flew over from ft. worth with him. he was jubilant about the reception he had. this was the third stop we had made. we were all eagerly awaiting the arrival in dallas. muchd not talk about it because it is not a very long flight from dallas to fort worth. >> almost half of the president in this entry have been targets for would-be assassins. to president kennedy, this was a risk that had to be taken. he loved to mingle and crowds. it seemed to give them new spirit and sustenance. he got a president should see and be seen by the people. it did not want the risk to force him into a closed unprotected automobile and since the rain had stopped, there was no other reason for using one. kennedy sat on the backse

the commission believes the same hitet that hit kennedy connally. don't believe it. >> i don't either. >> i could not find it. i am not going through at that. so i finally made them said there is a difference in the conviction of that. carter believe that was not so. he did not miss completely with that third shot,. to their theory, he not only miss the automobile, he missed the straight. anyhow, that is a little thing. did he do it for any reason? >> he was a general misanthropic fellow. he had never been satisfied. he had a desire to get his name in history.

that this is the bullet that first hit president kennedy, exited through his neck, and hit governor connally sitting in front of the president. after going through his arm it was lodged into his thigh and fell off while he was on a stretcher. one thing to let people know is that we have very high quality, high resolution images of most of these artifacts. this one in particular available on www.archives.gov, through our online public action archive. i want to get as many views as possible because people have questions about every aspect of this bullet. >> and that container, is that a special container? >> it is a container that we created ourselves in order to have it in a container where you can see it, but it has foam on the bottom, so it can be in there without rattling around, that he could turn it and view it from different angles. so it is just a way of conserving it by trying to keep it so that if we needed to pull it out, you could seeit. we had special housings made by the conservatives for our various bullet fragments that are associated with this. so once the limousine was back i

the syrian border to meet up with a man named moell, an isis fieger, fbi agents were alerted to connallye pastor at her children church who was concern about her dramatic change in behavior. authorities repeatedly warned her what she was doing was illegal and to halt their so-called plan to travel to the middle east to downthe jihad. she ignored hem. is her attorney says his client is howeverred by atrocities committed by isis. since the time of her arrest two american journalist beheaded. she faces five years in prison and $250,000 fine. her plea requires her to share with authorities any information on co-conspirators and, if necessary, testify against themw neil? >> thank you very much. how about these teens? do they look like isis recruits to you? two girls trying to sneak out of austria to join isis. how do we catch them when they don't fit the typical so-called profile? >> i think those young girls from astoria, 16, 17, and look at their faces. ever think -- >> what gets them to be recruits. >> they're using the social media. thex twitter, facebook, the isis people are using that,

commission believes the same bullet that hit kennedy hit connally. well, i don't believe it. >> i don't either. >> so, i could not sign it. i am not point to approve of that. there is made them say a split in the commission, that part of them believed that wasn't so. course, the fellow was accurate enough to hit kennedy with one shot, but he did not is completely with that third shot. theory, he notat only missed the whole automobile, he missed the straight. a fellow good enough to put those two shots and divinity, he is not going to matter the whole automobile. >> did he do it for any reason? >> he was a general misanthropic fellow. was that she had the desire to get his name in history and all. i do not think you will be displeased with the report. at it is to along. >> [indiscernible] littleybody gave me a old threat of it. >> you have been listening to a portion of a phone conversation between president lyndon b. johnson and senator richard whoell of your check, -- theed at lbj's urging in warring commission. the warring commission released 20 fi