that's connie sanders. her father was one of those killed at columbine in 1999.ies to you. thank you for joining us. when a horrible shooting like this happens, does this open up old wounds of your weather and what happened at columbine? >> it really does. i wouldn't expect that after 18 years we would still be traveling this road, and that the sad group of people has gotten large over the last 20 years of people affected by mass shootings. i cannot believe we're still here and that people are starting the journey that i've been traveling for 18 years. and it's a rough run. >> did you hear the representative on earlier just before you? >> i did. you know, i've been a therapist. i work with people convicted of crime. i know if we can find some middle ground, we can gain some traction on this issue. it's so amazing to hear somebody actually say, you know, we can do something. let's get some common sense measures put in place. let's actually, as a state, each state coming together and deciding what we can do about this. at this point, you know, just thoughts and pra

i think connie sanders, you might have had on, who is dave sanders daughter from columbine. >> dave sanders who pled out in columbine. >> who is a heroic teacher. his daughter, people have virginia tech, a whole lot of high-profile survivors have, you know, made videos saying, yes, we want this talked about immediately after. we are the victims, and we're not buying your argument. of course we want this. you know, we have fire drills in america right now because of a disaster, i believe it was in the 1950s, i think it was in a girls high school. but a lot of people got killed, so we had to do something. we started fire drills. now we take that for granted. most of the kinds of things we do now are because of reaction to something that happened. it's putting our head in the sand to say, oh, we can't do anything because that would be, quote, politicizing it. no, that's sensible. >> the book is columbine. i urge people to read it. back now with our panel, the fact that the shooter was known to the school, that he'd already been expelled, and yet he was still able to get inside, take all these