the supreme court also has allowed for many professions, for example, there is a court case, brown versus connor, indicating any excessive force complaint must be evaluated, not only from the police perspective, but what an objectionable officer redo. this is not just the union rules, but the supreme court, providing a lot of protections for officers. >> that's interesting. that will have to be something we tackle as well. let's talk about this issue we are hearing about today, the oakland unified school district. this is the only district to have its own police department. two school board members want to dismantle the police department. what is a better alternative? they do encourage culture keepers. is that a better alternative in a situation like this? >> going to be very clear. i am not against police officers. i'm against bad public policy. when you include officers in school settings, it is generally bad public policy. what we see in the city of chicago when officers are the norm, we have an increase of harassment and arrests, and excessive force. things would normally go to the principal