that's in addition to -- exxon, conoco, wells, nike, boeing, ford, raytheon, goldman. it is typical of year end, but it is adding up. >> i don't mean to be a dollar sign represented by a man, but every one of those stocks is worth buying because of the tough actions they're taking the top line is not that bad all those companies, i have been recommending ford, goldman, i'm trying to get my arms around 3m, it has been dealt a bad hand, and a lot of different places, but i think they're coming back. and i don't want to -- it is very tough you have to distinguish stocks from people. and it is painful to look at the deaths and then look at the layoffs and then look at the profits. >> without a doubt and as carl said, 2900 positions globally for 3m, and the numbers there, you know what they wanted to tell us, total pretax charge, 250 to 300 million and various other charges, with the hopes that annual pretax savings between 200 and 250 million from the actions. the actions themselves sounds like things that businesses just do really they're going to eliminate redundancies a