conor, welcome sir conor burns. n tonight. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> great to see you . was that >> great to see you. was that policing proportionate ? policing proportionate? >> i think there's big questions about it in the end it was two relatively small groups engaged in sort of standoff with each other five forces, five different forces descending on bournemouth town centre to the to the town hall. i have to say, you know, local residents will be delighted to see police in bournemouth town centre. we've been trying for years to get the police onto the beat in bournemouth town centre to deal with the aggressive begging and the drinking, and the drug deaung the drinking, and the drug dealing and so on. but i did think it looked a little bit over the top . over the top. >> can you understand, though, why police are nervous ? because why police are nervous? because of what's been happening in those dozen or so towns and cities around england. and also we've seen trouble in northern ireland. they just want

telegraph , nigel nelson, our telegraph, nigel nelson, our senior political commentator, also sir conor burnscells and not. and is it okay for the for the police and looking at some recent issues and demonstrations there in bournemouth and also looking at the issue of out of hours texting people out of hours , is texting people out of hours, is that a minor aggression? so when you text me, i won't complain to hr gb news if it's out of hours. >> but i often do text, you know, all the time. yeah. because because we're always working on stories. we never stop. politics never stops. do you think just just pulling back now to this this sir keir starmer situation, do you think i mean you've you've been around in politics. you've seen governments, governments come, you've seen them go . there's you've seen them go. there's always a backlash. but as you said before, tony blair, he was like walking on water when he first got in. david cameron had a period of grace. everybody seemed to have a pier of grace. this seems to be unusually short. >> it does seem short, certainly with blair. blair had 2 or 3

conor burns, former tory mp, has said on twitter it's important for politicians today to have a senseawareness of course i'm afraid, chris, if you can't take the stick, this will just be the tip of the iceberg now, as well as slagging nigel farage off, mel stride has come and has come out and said that the recent riots show that white working class lads feel distanced from society, a sentiment i very much concur with. >> and to discuss this now i'm joined by sir philip davis, a former tory mp for shipley and i know a tireless advocate for men's issues throughout your political career. in fact , want political career. in fact, want to start us off by saying thank you, philip davis, for that debate. you chaired on international men's day in 2015. seems like a long time ago now, mate, when our paths first crossed very, very few people were prepared to take that battle into wicket. and you did. back to the case in point. mel stride, i think, is talking something here of sense. he's identified an issue we're not justifying what happened, the riots, but there is this feeling, is there not,