and so that is where conover comes in. >> absolutely. conover, the first thing you did for the project was see what visitor interest there was. you had some difficulty fining statistics for visitation. tell us about that. >> the texas historical commission, and they gave the historical commission a $500 grant to bring in visiting specialist. and lo and behold little did i know. so i went to juddson, who is fabulous, and i said what kind odd statistics do you have. and he went, what? and so there was nothing about visitor interest in dealey plaza, and the county having acquired the building the idea of giving away 10,000 square feet of valuable downtown real estate for a nonprofit is something the taxpayers might have questions about and unless some very strong arguments could be made for public interest. so i called the convention and visitors bureau, and they said we don't have any statistics. they said do you want to know about interest in south fork? i said south fork isn't even in dallas county, and i they said, that doesn't matter.