the top leadership are still hess stability on general james conroy said he is opposed. the army chief of staff says not while we're engaged in two wars. in you're a soldier serving in iraq and afghanistan, it won't be tolerated. there is no more joking and harassing. the highest ranking military officer has spoken and said this is not acceptable. i want a military where people don't have to lie about who they are to defend their country. gwen: do you see the same generational divide? >> younger soldiers have no problem with it because they grown up their whole lives, their adult lives under a don't ask, don't tell, this is not a new issue for them. for the older rank and files, they say this fundamentally changes the culture of the military. this is a family-oriented unit. this will change how we serve. they'll bring up things like we'll have to get separate facilities. what would it be like if gays and lesbians were allowed to show public displays of affection on base. it will change the culture. >> as a practical matter, what happens if congress, if they do repeal the