conseco from texas. >> okay. mr. stockman, one very brief question. >> sir, can i -- i apologize for interrupting. i wanted to just make sure that it was understood that moody's meeting i did attend. if there was any confusion on that. i'm not sure there was, but i just wanted to confirm. >> thank you. >> that's all right. let me ask a question now, mr. stockman. when did mf global first approach you? i know that you went through an agency. but when did you first meet? when did mf global first approach you, either by letter or by phone call or otherwise? >> to the best of my recollection, in september/october possibly. possibly october of 2010. >> all right. and by what means was it? letter, phone call, e-mail? >> phone call. >> phone call. and did you go and visit with them shortly thereafter? >> short thereafter i had a series of interviews, yes. >> was it your head hunter or agent that called you or was it mf global that called you? >> this was through a search firm. >> so your search firm called you up and said,