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british home secretary theresa may told the conservative party conference that the current immigration system in the u.k. is like a never ending game of snakes and ladders and that quitting the european convention for human rights might be a route that the government chooses to go down david cameron has already indorsed that option at the opening of the tory party conference now the reason they are so worried about this is that at the moment suspected foreign criminals well they have seventeen different routes to appeal if they are meant to be deported under the proposed plans the home office would fast deport suspected foreign criminals and then hear their appeals after they've been deported the witness foreign criminals and immigration lawyers while the loses all the victims of these crimes to the public where there is no risk of serious and irreversible harm we should deport foreign criminals first and hear their appeals later now the conservatives view is that the european convention for human rights simply prevents them from dealing with famous cases like that of radical hate prea
british home secretary theresa may told the conservative party conference that the current immigration system in the u.k. is like a never ending game of snakes and ladders and that quitting the european convention for human rights might be a route that the government chooses to go down david cameron has already indorsed that option at the opening of the tory party conference now the reason they are so worried about this is that at the moment suspected foreign criminals well they have seventeen...
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maggie maggie stacey what's going max it's called our maggie it's a beer being sold at the conservative party conference they're tearing the return of the housing bubble pm triggers new house sales spree two hundred thousand get chance to buy as cameron starts twelve billion pound mortgage guarantee scheme next week prime minister yesterday announced help to buy scheme will start from next week three months ahead of schedule quote i will not stand by while hardworking people struggle to get a mortgage but critics say dangerous scheme will inflate the market well there's a couple things here one is as you point out in the opening people tend to gravitate toward things that are bad for them so when they advertise drugs that have negative side effects people tend to gravitate toward those things you know on cigarette packages the more cancer ridden long as they put on the the package.
maggie maggie stacey what's going max it's called our maggie it's a beer being sold at the conservative party conference they're tearing the return of the housing bubble pm triggers new house sales spree two hundred thousand get chance to buy as cameron starts twelve billion pound mortgage guarantee scheme next week prime minister yesterday announced help to buy scheme will start from next week three months ahead of schedule quote i will not stand by while hardworking people struggle to get a...
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consumer pig this could help explain why david cameron has brought forward by three months the conservative party ponzi scheme marketed under the name help to buy the ponzi scheme comes with economic health warnings from mervyn king bank of england the i.m.f. and from economists around the world that the program will destroy the u.k. economy despite the warning greater fools are lining up to put just five percent down on a property worth up to six hundred thousand pounds so that they the taxpayer chump will put down the remaining fifteen percent. pop open the bubbly or is a perhaps a bottle of maggie maggie stacey what's going max it's called our maggie it's a beer being sold at the conservative party conference they're tearing the return of the housing bubble pm triggers new house sales spree two hundred thousand get chance to buy as cameron starts twelve billion pound mortgage guarantee scheme next week prime minister yesterday announced helped by scheme will start from next week three months ahead of schedule quote i will not stand by while hardworking people struggle to get a mortgage but cri
consumer pig this could help explain why david cameron has brought forward by three months the conservative party ponzi scheme marketed under the name help to buy the ponzi scheme comes with economic health warnings from mervyn king bank of england the i.m.f. and from economists around the world that the program will destroy the u.k. economy despite the warning greater fools are lining up to put just five percent down on a property worth up to six hundred thousand pounds so that they the...
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maggie maggie stacey what's going max it's called our maggie it's a beer being sold at the conservative party conference they're tearing the return of the housing bubble pm triggers new house sales spree two hundred thousand get chance to buy as cameron starts twelve billion pound mortgage guarantee scheme next week prime minister yesterday announced helped by scheme will start from next week three months ahead of schedule quote i will not stand by while hardworking people struggle to get a mortgage but critics say dangerous scheme will inflate the market well there's a couple things here one is as you point out in the opening people tend to gravitate toward things that are bad for them so when they advertise drugs that have negative side effects people tend to gravitate toward those things you know cigarette packages the more cancer ridden long as they put on the package the greater people tend to want to smoke and this is part of the can behavioral economics that used are used by governments to induce people to do things that they don't want to do because we live in this casino gleg now and
maggie maggie stacey what's going max it's called our maggie it's a beer being sold at the conservative party conference they're tearing the return of the housing bubble pm triggers new house sales spree two hundred thousand get chance to buy as cameron starts twelve billion pound mortgage guarantee scheme next week prime minister yesterday announced helped by scheme will start from next week three months ahead of schedule quote i will not stand by while hardworking people struggle to get a...
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maggie maggie stacey what's going max it's called our maggie it's a beer being sold at the conservative party conference they're tearing the return of the housing bubble pm triggers new house sales spree two hundred thousand get chance to buy as cameron starts twelve billion pound mortgage guarantee scheme next week prime minister yesterday announced help to buy scheme will start from next week three months ahead of schedule quote i will not stand by while hardworking people struggle to get a mortgage but critics say dangerous scheme will inflate the market well there's a couple things here one is as you point out in the opening people tend to gravitate toward things that are bad for them so when they advertise drugs that have negative side effects people tend to gravitate toward those things you know on cigarette packages the more cancer ridden long as they put on the package the greater people tend to want to smoke and this is part of the can behavioral economics that used are used by governments to induce people to do things that they don't want to do because we live in this casino good le
maggie maggie stacey what's going max it's called our maggie it's a beer being sold at the conservative party conference they're tearing the return of the housing bubble pm triggers new house sales spree two hundred thousand get chance to buy as cameron starts twelve billion pound mortgage guarantee scheme next week prime minister yesterday announced help to buy scheme will start from next week three months ahead of schedule quote i will not stand by while hardworking people struggle to get a...
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his party is still considering whether to seek another grand coalition with the conservatives. the party will vote on it. gabriel insists they will deal equally well with any outcome. >> we are not afraid of being the opposition, and we are not afraid of being part of the government if that works out. neither are we afraid of new elections if talks fail. >> gabriel is well aware that new elections could backfire for the spd, but their show of strength and unity is likely to put pressure on the conservatives, upping the st akes. >> the trick is that neither party knows how far the other side is prepared to go. that's the definition of taking a gamble. >> the main bone of contention between the two parties is tax policy. the spd wants tax hikes for top earners. the conservatives do not. in the upcoming coalition talks, that could prove to be a dealbreaker. on other issues, their policies are more compatible. they both favor higher pensions, benefits for stay-at-home parents, dual citizenship, and a minimum wage in some sectors. as the elections clear -- elections's clear victors,
his party is still considering whether to seek another grand coalition with the conservatives. the party will vote on it. gabriel insists they will deal equally well with any outcome. >> we are not afraid of being the opposition, and we are not afraid of being part of the government if that works out. neither are we afraid of new elections if talks fail. >> gabriel is well aware that new elections could backfire for the spd, but their show of strength and unity is likely to put...
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mark deen and mathieu doiret, director of polling at ipsos, the conservative party.they have so far declined our invitation to take part in this discussion. you can join the conversation on facebook and on twitter. f24debate. seven months from european parliament, just to put in perspective. a new poll has one in four voters picking the national front for european elections. mathieu doiret, that poll puts the national front of 24% ahead of the mainstream conservative party. the socialists 19%. is that what you have been finding as you track the run up to those elections? >> it is probably a little premature. what is appearing is the current situation, not necessarily the situation seven months from now but now it is clear that the far right is on the rise in europe. i think the recent change probably favored even more this rise because currently the far right is at the center of a political debate. not only because it did what it did but the other ones pushed it to the center. for political reasons. >> other parties have pushed the far right to the center? >> it has
mark deen and mathieu doiret, director of polling at ipsos, the conservative party.they have so far declined our invitation to take part in this discussion. you can join the conversation on facebook and on twitter. f24debate. seven months from european parliament, just to put in perspective. a new poll has one in four voters picking the national front for european elections. mathieu doiret, that poll puts the national front of 24% ahead of the mainstream conservative party. the socialists 19%....
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that the business community or there's no moderate wing really of the republican party left, the pragmatic conservativeso over to the democratic party and i don't think they have the resources at this point to basically win the party back from the more radical wing. so i think this is going to go on for a while and it's possible we'll see an independent candidate emerge for president in 2016. but i don't see a bunch of candidates running for congress or having any chance of winning. >> i'm glad you appreciate the history because we have got taft, we have got the whig party, this is ratings gold for prime time i'm sure. but i wonder sometimes when i look at what happened today in the house, when i look at john boehner, he clearly wants to get this behind him. he's clearly wanted to get this behind him for a long time. and he would like to be able to get republicans to agree on what he's proposing today. he's undercut completely by an outside group. he's undercut by a member of the senate -- he would have more influence at an outside group. it seems like that's a major source of dysfunction in a major pol
that the business community or there's no moderate wing really of the republican party left, the pragmatic conservativeso over to the democratic party and i don't think they have the resources at this point to basically win the party back from the more radical wing. so i think this is going to go on for a while and it's possible we'll see an independent candidate emerge for president in 2016. but i don't see a bunch of candidates running for congress or having any chance of winning. >>...
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. >> governor chris christie's surprise endorsement from shaq, when the most conservative in his own party are rejecting him. why the daily beast says it sends a message that should resonate throughout the gop. a lot of you have let us know your thoughts on the latest nsa dust-up. [ male announcer ] pepcid® presents: the burns family dinner. why would i take one pepcid® when i could take tums® throughout the day when my heartburn comes back? 'cause you only have to take one... [ male announcer ] don't be like the burns. just one pepcid® complete works fast and lasts. >>> we're back with breaking news, penn state says it is paying nearly $60 million to 26 young men over claims of child sexual abuse at the hands of former assistant football coach jerry sandusky. sandusky was convicted of 45 criminal counts last year, again, $60 million to be divided amongst 26 young men over claims that they were abused sexually abused by former assistant coach jerry sandusky. >>> new jersey governor chris christie scored an intriguing endorsement from former nba star shaquille o'neal as the daily news point
. >> governor chris christie's surprise endorsement from shaq, when the most conservative in his own party are rejecting him. why the daily beast says it sends a message that should resonate throughout the gop. a lot of you have let us know your thoughts on the latest nsa dust-up. [ male announcer ] pepcid® presents: the burns family dinner. why would i take one pepcid® when i could take tums® throughout the day when my heartburn comes back? 'cause you only have to take one... [ male...
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opponents to the law, including catholic groups, the conservative party, and extreme right wingers argue gay marriage devalues society and family life. >> just because the law was passed we should be silenced? we cannot speak about the family? just because the law was passed, we can no longer speak of our convictions of what we should pass on to our children? no. >> a group of marriage sought -- mayors sought the right to not conduct the marriage is on the grounds it would go against their moral beliefs. they brought the case to the constitutional council. on friday, the highest judicial authority ruled mayors would not be able to opt out of marrying same-sex couples. the mayors have said they will take their case to the european court of human rights. >> to italy where commuters have been facing travel chaos in rome with transport workers on strike. they have taken out two streets. some protesters gathered close to the station with a planned demonstration to coincide with the strike by transport workers. in syria, rebel snipers have killed a top ranking general in the country's military
opponents to the law, including catholic groups, the conservative party, and extreme right wingers argue gay marriage devalues society and family life. >> just because the law was passed we should be silenced? we cannot speak about the family? just because the law was passed, we can no longer speak of our convictions of what we should pass on to our children? no. >> a group of marriage sought -- mayors sought the right to not conduct the marriage is on the grounds it would go...
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that shows the schism between main conservatives and tea party conservatives. >> right. it doesn't -- the way forward on this for the republican party is going to be to win or to somehow deal with this insurgent part of the party that's not going away. sarah palin is talking about going next to kentucky, talking about mitch mcconnell's challenger on the tea party right. i don't see them really backing down. they understand the farther obama care goes, the more it becomes part of the firmament of the entitlement state, difficult it will be to make adjustments. it was only 2010 when it was a major factor that led to republicans taking over the house. >> what they are trying to do -- what democrats are trying to do is get as many people signed up as possible before january 1st when it kicks in to prove they have got the base of young people to make it economically viable. i also want to point out you've got some elections coming up. ken cuccinelli has clearly been hurt by this, by the shutdown of the government. >> he's more vulnerable. he's in a state where he's vulnerable
that shows the schism between main conservatives and tea party conservatives. >> right. it doesn't -- the way forward on this for the republican party is going to be to win or to somehow deal with this insurgent part of the party that's not going away. sarah palin is talking about going next to kentucky, talking about mitch mcconnell's challenger on the tea party right. i don't see them really backing down. they understand the farther obama care goes, the more it becomes part of the...
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if i were living in england today, coy be a member of the conservative party.pposes the death penalty, favors a woman's rights to choose abortion, is in favor of gay rights. they just differ on foreign policy. they have a tougher foreign policy. they differ on economic issues systems of i am a civil libertarian liberal, but i still call myself a liberal. and i'm proud of it. >> all right. well, be proud of it. one of the things i read, for example, an issue, abortion. very contentious issue. you said you felt it should be in the political -- the legislative political arena. >> absolutely. >> state by state rather than the federal government. heck, i'm pro-life, and agree with you. >> i can't find anything in the constitution that says you prefer the life of the mother or the convenience of the mother if it's an abortion by choice over the potential life of the fetus. look, i think women if they're required to not have abortions could die and could -- so i favor a woman's right to choose. but i can't find it in the constitution. and everything i favor i don't th
if i were living in england today, coy be a member of the conservative party.pposes the death penalty, favors a woman's rights to choose abortion, is in favor of gay rights. they just differ on foreign policy. they have a tougher foreign policy. they differ on economic issues systems of i am a civil libertarian liberal, but i still call myself a liberal. and i'm proud of it. >> all right. well, be proud of it. one of the things i read, for example, an issue, abortion. very contentious...
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great we are doing god's work for real because there are also the article shows images from the conservative party conference hardworking people because remember the conservatives are working hard for those hard working people they say well this all of the banking fraud here and. in suing compensation claims have created jobs they're saying that the claims have come been coming in at such a clip that it's created tens of thousands of new jobs to handle the claims for compensation for this for this fraudulent misselling of p.p.i. schemes right now once again these are jobs that are part of the financialization and securitization of the u.k. economy it's not part of the economy which is productive or manufacturing that will end up with the exports needed to boost the economy and wages in a real sense is just more paper pushing jobs that are financed by more paper pushing what you're financed by more money printing as part of this massive ponzi scheme so it's great that they can. points of fraud in the paper printing the results as growth but imagine if charles manson a squeaky fromme were running th
great we are doing god's work for real because there are also the article shows images from the conservative party conference hardworking people because remember the conservatives are working hard for those hard working people they say well this all of the banking fraud here and. in suing compensation claims have created jobs they're saying that the claims have come been coming in at such a clip that it's created tens of thousands of new jobs to handle the claims for compensation for this for...
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great we are doing god's work for real because there are also the article shows image from the conservative party conference hardworking people because remember the conservatives are working hard for those hard working people they say well this all of the banking fraud here and. in suing compensation claims have created jobs they're saying that the claims have come been coming in at such a clip that it's created tens of thousands of new jobs to handle the claims for compensation for this fraudulent misselling of p.p.i. schemes right once again these are jobs that are part of the financialization and securitization of the u.k. economy it's not part of the economy which is productive or manufacturing battles and with the exports needed to boost the economy and wages in a real sense is just more paper pushing jobs that are financed by more paper pushing which are financed by more money printing as part of this massive ponzi scheme so it's great that they can. points of fraud in the paper printing the results as growth but imagine if charles manson a squeaky fromme were running the bank of england in
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party mess this up. in fact, becoming the president's best friend? >> the constituents that elected conservativeembers of congress, the tea party caucus didn't send the people to washington. they sent them there to fight the law. that's what they did. i agree that the law will continue to become unpopular. it will serve political interests, but the ultimate interest is ensuring american people don't suffer under the consequences. to speak to the dailies point, i don't agree that the conservative members of congress are the president's best friend. republican leadership like mitch mcconnell and john boehner are the president's best friend. when they go into negotiation, they give them everything and ask nothing in return. >> can i ask patrick a question? how many times will the house of representatives voted to repeal and defund obamacare? they have done it at least 40 times. sometimes you have to figure that, you know what, in order to change the law, we need to win the presidency. sometimes winning elections matter. they have had vote after vote. they have failed. wouldn't at some point you say
party mess this up. in fact, becoming the president's best friend? >> the constituents that elected conservativeembers of congress, the tea party caucus didn't send the people to washington. they sent them there to fight the law. that's what they did. i agree that the law will continue to become unpopular. it will serve political interests, but the ultimate interest is ensuring american people don't suffer under the consequences. to speak to the dailies point, i don't agree that the...
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boehner, he would have to use democratic votes, ignoring those tea party members of his open party, hose conservatives in his own party. he would need some democrats to get something passed today and save the country from default. >> all right, tracie potts live in washington. thanks. >>> in florida, two girls are charged in a frightening cyber bullying case that turned deadly. police say 12-year-old rebecca sedwick just couldn't take anymore. she tragically killed herself last month after nearly a year of ugly taunts, including one reading, quote, drink bleach and die. now two girls are charged as juveniles in connection with rebecca's suicide. the 12 and 14-year-old are facing felly aggravating stalking charges. they have been released to their parents under house arrest p. >>> a rapid fall from grace and now a guilty plea from bob filner, he pleaded guilty tuesday to a felony for putting a woman in a headlock and to two misdemeanor, one for kissing another one against her will and another for grabbing the behind of a third woman. filner was driven from office in august after sexual allegations from
boehner, he would have to use democratic votes, ignoring those tea party members of his open party, hose conservatives in his own party. he would need some democrats to get something passed today and save the country from default. >> all right, tracie potts live in washington. thanks. >>> in florida, two girls are charged in a frightening cyber bullying case that turned deadly. police say 12-year-old rebecca sedwick just couldn't take anymore. she tragically killed herself last...
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comes to politics with one of the greatest, most successful political sheanls which is the conservative party, it is possible in the next two, three years that britain could lose scotland, britain could be in the european union and if they have a big vote in the european union the conservative party could split and end up with a situation where cameron wins the most seats, but doesn't quite get the right amount of seats to form a majority so the liberals and labor come together and that would be a huge amount of changes. >> rose: who is the america's energy projection going to change the global economy? >> well, it could mean two things. first of all, it could mean that the american manufacturing will come back. it will be a great cost advantage to american manufacturers to have such a low cost source of energy here. >> rose: yes. >> that will boost the american economy. but it might lead to some instability, at the geopolitical level because it should mean america is less interested in what happens in the middle east as what happened before and the syrian debate shows that. >> rose: and one
comes to politics with one of the greatest, most successful political sheanls which is the conservative party, it is possible in the next two, three years that britain could lose scotland, britain could be in the european union and if they have a big vote in the european union the conservative party could split and end up with a situation where cameron wins the most seats, but doesn't quite get the right amount of seats to form a majority so the liberals and labor come together and that would...
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still in the program the conservative party conference in britain. standing speech from the prime minister david cameron the economic achievements of his government but after the break we'll look at what the behind the optimism made much ground. the. economic downturn the find out. the new york and the rest because i was doing the makes you believe every week. this is all see welcome back now the leader of greece's far right golden dawn bossy isn't cause to face charges of criminal activity and three senior members of the group have been released pending a future at trial in the murder of a left wing activist in gran'pa and your family is an audience for us. while the crackdown against golden dawn continues pay scimitar heavy police presence and paste in the party have appeared in court here in athens charged of being part of a criminal organization and that followed police making a direct link between the party and the death of an anti fascist rapper and while that action did quell a wave of public unrest following that death it has also produced a
still in the program the conservative party conference in britain. standing speech from the prime minister david cameron the economic achievements of his government but after the break we'll look at what the behind the optimism made much ground. the. economic downturn the find out. the new york and the rest because i was doing the makes you believe every week. this is all see welcome back now the leader of greece's far right golden dawn bossy isn't cause to face charges of criminal activity and...
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britain has not hinted david cameron has not hinted david cameron has given a promise that the conservative party at the next election will rescind the human rights which is to say he will if a pretty if a conservative government is returned in britain at the next election then the human rights act which brings the european convention into british law will be rescinded he has not yet threatened although there have indeed also been hence to withdraw from the convention entirely these are legal niceties but the reason why even the british have made this kind of threat is that they too have been the victims of these kinds of rulings there was a famous case a few weeks ago whereby various murderous including multiple multiple murderess were found in favor of a by the european court of human rights in ways which caused very deep outrage in britain and the problem with the european court is that having been set up to safeguard basic human rights it has now become a militant political organizing which is ensuring a sort of dictatorship of the minority over the routes of the majority in this case in this
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where the interview with mr badgery appeared it's the telegraph which is closely aligned to the conservative party and i spoke to a scot in london recently who told me that regardless of where you weigh in on which side of the independents. you weigh in on the lengths to which westminster has been going to over the past six months even to fear. scare scots into thinking about the consequences if they vote for independence is almost humorous with politicians in westminster saying that scotland would have to reapply for its membership if it broke away from the united kingdom that they might not afford to have a postal service so that they wouldn't have enough money to create a proper armed forces so both camps are engaged in a real propaganda battle at the moment we're seeing some different facts figures and statistics and it's very about from both sides and at the moment it's difficult to tell whether truth lives. well let's take a look now at what we promised you earlier on that spectacular show taking place in the russian capital to honor the start of the olympic torch relay right there you see t
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and still ahead in the program the conservative party conference in britain concludes with a grandstanding speech from the prime minister david cameron boasts about the economic achievements of his government but after the break we'll look at whether behind the opium ism has actually made much ground. zero. science technology innovation all the developments around russia we've got the future covered. this point being an expensive car saloon. like the new fashion show. also designer bags and shoes in the best shop windows. luxury is the school. this is the last card. to play. on our cheap. this is coming to life from moscow welcome back the k. prime minister david cameron has portrayed the labor opposition as out of touch and a speech to close his policies annual conference in manchester he also took swipes at coalition partners the liberal democrats but it was very complementary about the performance of his own conservatives and for more let's now go live to our correspondent laura smith phrase in london hi that laura so what exactly did david cameron say. well i just want to start by refe
and still ahead in the program the conservative party conference in britain concludes with a grandstanding speech from the prime minister david cameron boasts about the economic achievements of his government but after the break we'll look at whether behind the opium ism has actually made much ground. zero. science technology innovation all the developments around russia we've got the future covered. this point being an expensive car saloon. like the new fashion show. also designer bags and...