the conservative party last niiht it? the conservative party last night demonstrated _ it?rvative party last night demonstrated that theyl it? the conservative party last i night demonstrated that they are completely united in wanting to stop the boats on this bill passed with an overwhelming majority in parliament but more broadly the last year was difficult, difficult for the country and we are recovering from the impact of the pandemic, the legacy of backlogs in public services and the impact of the war in ukraine on people's bills but at the start of this year we are pointing in the right direction, we have made progress. that is why we have made progress. that is why we have to stick to the plan because thatis have to stick to the plan because that is how we deliver long—term change that the country needs and we will build a brighter future for our children and renewed pride in our country and the plan is working. you can look at what has happened on inflation for example. we set out a clear panel, we have delivered on that and because inflation has been halved from 11

and disraeli reforms the conservative partya patriotic party that represents everybody in the country . everybody in the country. exactly. actually, what boris was doing in 2019, in 2019, which was interrupted. and the key for the conservative party is that we get back to representing the people who voted for us in 2019 and at the moment , though, donald trump, moment, though, donald trump, they think of the handsome mr farage. i don't have seen this poll, but 54% of them trust you , poll, but 54% of them trust you, as opposed to 35% who trust the prime minister and what we've done wrong is move away from our core supporters and we've been set off course over the boats issue by by some people who hold the eu effectively. and they're calling it the echr at the moment in high regard than their own voters. and that's been why rishi couldn't go further on the boats. i supported all the amendments, but there just wasn't a majority in for parliament it. and i think there's a much bigger political problem. it's not the tories, it's th

the now former deputy chairmen of the conservative party, lee anderson and brendan clark—smith, and janephenson, who had been a pps, or ministerial assistant. i don't think i could carry on in my role as deputy chairman of the conservative party when i fundamentally disagree with the bill. i think most of the bill is sound. i think it can work. but we needed it beefing up. we needed it strengthening over the next few days. and i can't be in a position to vote for something which i don't believe in. the bill aims to send some people who arrive in the uk illegally to rwanda. their asylum case would be heard there and, if successful, that's where they'd stay. the policy was first announced by borisjohnson nearly two years ago. two months later, the first deportation flight was cancelled minutes before take—off, after the european court of human rights intervened. it then went through several legal challenges and, in november last year, the supreme court ruled the policy as it stood then to be unlawful. so now the government's put together a new bill that declares rwanda to be a safe country

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back for the conservative party _ if there is a way back for the conservative party it - if there ise conservative party it will be | if there is a way back for the - conservative party it will be those questions — conservative party it will be those questions about _ conservative party it will be those questions about trust _ conservative party it will be those questions about trust in _ conservative party it will be those questions about trust in keir- questions about trust in keir starmer _ questions about trust in keir starmer l— questions about trust in keir starmer. i, starmer. i disagree with that because i — starmer. i disagree with that because i think, _ starmer. i disagree with that because i think, you - starmer. i disagree with that because i think, you know, l starmer. i disagree with that - because i think, you know, everyone thinks politicians change their minds and change their argument, and in fact there is a positive argument to be said which is politicians, if they do change their mind, that's a good thing, they are learning from evidence. i think the better line

i still think the conservative party the party moving still think the conservative party toe party moving the conservative party to get party moving still think the conservative party to get usparty moving still think the conservative party to get us outy moving still think the conservative party to get us out offoving still think the conservative party to get us out of this|g forward to get us out of this mess. it's very kind of. mess. so it's very kind of. richard, we've had a few, um, you know, few dingoes over the you know, a few dingoes over the past few weeks, a few, you know, a arguments. but he's a good a few arguments. but he's a good man. great man. like man. he's a great man. i like him, i him as a friend. him, i class him as a friend. but i think, know the best but i think, you know the best way forward solve this way forward to solve this problem strong conservative problem is a strong conservative party with strong mps like myself. >> and you will in the >> and you will stand in the next as a tory mp. of next election as a tory mp. of course i but overall, i course i will. b

she caused a stir at the 1966 conservative party conference when she delivered a scathing critique of the labor government's high tax policy. if you compare all the budgets in the race for high tax rates, i'm happy to... report that the conservative budgets won't take any of the top four spots, the top prize for raising taxes would go to hugh gaitkel in '51. callaghan would receive the second prize for raising taxes in '66. the third the award would go to callaghan in '65. callaghan also won the fourth award. the conservative party under the leadership of edward geeth won the parliamentary elections in 1970 . thatcher was appointed secretary of state for education and science. in her first months in office, she drew public attention to the administration's efforts to cut spending. she prioritized the academic needs of schools and introduced cuts in public spending on the public education system, leading to repeal. free milk for schoolchildren aged 7-1, she believed that few children would be harmed if schools charged for milk, but agreed to give 200 ml of milk to the younger students

and you're right, there is at the moment a focus on the conservative party, but there should also be the labour party because they can't say what they would do, they can't say, because they don't have a plan. we are determined, the prime minister is determined to stop the boats and he's given thatjob to me to deliver and we'll deliver that this afternoon. clearly trying to play down the conflict in the party. do you think there are frantic talks going on right now to bring the unity together?— right now to bring the unity touether? ~ , ., �*, ., together? absolutely. that's what the conservative _ together? absolutely. that's what the conservative rebels _ together? absolutely. that's what the conservative rebels on - together? absolutely. that's what the conservative rebels on the - together? absolutely. that's what l the conservative rebels on the right of the party want, they want downing street to back down. they are trying to exert pressure in media studios as well as in the house of commons today so that actually downing street makes theirjob easier for them by saying we're goi

is alive _ considered in the conservative party is alive and — considered in the conservative this and party and i think it is a demonstration of the strength— think it is a demonstration of the strength of democracy and you are watching _ strength of democracy and you are watching it — strength of democracy and you are watching it live here we are about to go _ watching it live here we are about to go in _ watching it live here we are about to go in and — watching it live here we are about to go in and vote in the minutes we will see _ to go in and vote in the minutes we will see how it unfolds in the next hour~ _ will see how it unfolds in the next houn ~ . will see how it unfolds in the next hour. . ., ., will see how it unfolds in the next hour. ~ ., ., ., hour. what about those who say you would have — hour. what about those who say you would have undermined _ hour. what about those who say you would have undermined the - hour. what about those who say you would have undermined the prime i would have undermined the prime minister's authority in and of course keir starmer

party but they should also be a _ conservative party but they should also be a focus on the labour party be a focus on the labour party as they can't say what they would do. as they can't say what they would do they — as they can't say what they would do. they can't say because they don't _ do. they can't say because they don't have — do. they can't say because they don't have a plan. we are determined, the prime minister is determined, the prime minister is determined to stop the boats and he has given— determined to stop the boats and he has given the job to me to deliver and we _ has given the job to me to deliver and we will— has given the job to me to deliver and we will deliver that this afternoon. and we will deliver that this afternoon-— and we will deliver that this afternoon. playing down the divisions. — afternoon. playing down the divisions, henry. _ afternoon. playing down the divisions, henry. i— afternoon. playing down the divisions, henry. i imagine. afternoon. playing down the - divisions, henry. i imagine rishi sunak will be hoping for more of a unified approach today.

no, conservative 2019 voters are anyone who cast their vote for the conservative party in 2019. there a difference in the red wall? not especially. the conservative 2019 voters are especially concerned. so that obviously encompasses a lot of people who did vote conservative in the red wall for the first time, but it's not exclusive to voters in the red wall. conservative voters all over the country care quite strongly about it. i suppose, in that context, because we were talking to robert about the rwanda plan, it's whether the government, in pursuing the rwanda plan and then the conversation that's going on within the conservative party about how you make it work and what kind of flavour of the rwanda plan you should have, is whether kind of pursuing it and trying to make it work addresses the concerns of those 2019 conservative voters, or rather highlights the kind of failure to deal with the problem as they would see it around the whole question of illegal migration. yeah, i mean, ithought_ robert jenrick actually made some pretty compelling arguments. if you take this issue k

any any party, really, but certainly a conservative is to further conservative party is to furtherconfidence, optimism, prosperity living in these everybody living in these islands and to preserve our history, our heritage, our culture, institutions, as culture, our institutions, as the on which we the foundations on which we should society can grow and evolve. it is not out doing that. and i think honestly believe i got no response apart from a rejection . i've contacted from a rejection. i've contacted cchq three times asking why i've just. i've received no response whatsoever. they've not engaged with me at all. um, and i can only conclude that where i want to go to in the way that i've just described, um, is not where cchq and rishi sunak wants , cchq and rishi sunak wants, wants to go. if the conservative party are going to stand a chance in the next election, they don't need to be going after the centre ground. they need to be going after the traditional conservative cultural and social conservatives cultural and social conservative�*you make of this? why >> what do you make

general election in october 1974 was even worse, and thatcher challenged the leadership of the conservative party. vowing to make a fresh start, she won major support from the '22 conservative caucus. mr. guide was the leader for 10 years but the party decided that there must be a contest and a contest cannot be without contestants. and i am one of the main ones. is there prejudice among your fellow mps against you as a woman? do you feel it? it's hard for me to judge that. attitude, i guess gradually changes. i think in the last four or five weeks. there were really big changes. after all, women in other countries have made great strides in leadership positions. it was hard to find a country less likely to have a woman prime minister than india. however, they have had one of the most successful women for a long time and she is a wonderful person. one of your colleagues said that no one is as determined to oust tedagi as he is, so you don't have much of a chance. how determined are you? i am very determined. she was like that during her political life, even for to end up here and the same... he v

the parliamentary conservative party. predict, conservative party.ll be more centrist, more to the left than it is now , because the left than it is now, because all those people in the red wall seats will lose. and if you look at the people who've been chosen as this as candidates and i study this all pretty all the time, they are pretty middle of the road and the right are furious people are furious at how few people they're in. they're getting in. >> as top royals start >> coming up as top royals start dropping like flies, is king charles paying the price for a slimmed down monarchy? plus, prince harry has dropped his legal action against the mail on sunday. why we'll find out . radio. coming up. >> will the world be a safer place if donald trump returns to the white house and would a trump second turn be good for news britain? but first, we'll get to prince harry and his decision to cancel legal action against the mail on sunday in just a moment. but it's been a week of drama for the week of medical drama for the royal family, with princess cathe

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opinion polls put his conservatives well behind the opposition labour party. what did you make of this announcement and the timing that we now expect a general election this year?— that we now expect a general election this year? well, i think the default _ election this year? well, i think the default assumption - election this year? well, i think the default assumption has - election this year? well, i think. the default assumption has always been that the prime minister will go to the country in the autumn. it gives him two years from when he first became prime minister in october 2022 and with the conservatives being so far be behind in the polls at the moment, it was always extremely unlikely that a man of his temperament would choose to go to the country earlier than he had to. the longest he could wait would be january 2025 but i don't think anyone thought that he would actually campaign over christmas. that would be just inviting punishment from the voters. mit? that would be just inviting punishment from the voters. why do ou think punishment from the

her speech in bruges in september 1988 started the process that resulted a conservative party that was once overwhelmingly pro-european has become overwhelmingly eurosceptic. all this happened against the background of international events, which were very useful for the conservatives. in the late 1990s, the cold war ended, and free markets and institutions were restored. however, the event launched the next phase of european integration, as france revived the project of a single european currency, hoping to test the strength of a unified germany. as a result, disagreements. within the british government on european policy that deepened until the end of the cold war, now they have become particularly acute. sir geoffrey gao resigned on november 1, 1990, and his bitter farewell speech precipitated mike heseltine's challenge to margaret thatcher's leadership. in the next vote, she received the majority of votes, but according to party rules, the lead was not enough and... a second vote was required. after receiving this news at a conference in paris, she immediately proclaimed her intent

so it's a huge internal row within the conservative party. it's conservative party.ave no effect actually going to have no effect in your opinion. >> yeah. it's not going to work because it's not compatible with the individual's right resist the individual's right to resist deportation on exceptional , deportation on exceptional, compelling grounds on human rights grounds. so no, you can't possibly have law which has possibly have a law which has a blanket rule saying everyone has to sent back. look, i'm in to get sent back. look, i'm in dubaiand to get sent back. look, i'm in dubai and in dubai, if you commit a crime, they put you on the next plane back to your country. that's what they do. there courts. there are no appeal courts. there's know, you have there's no, you know, you have if commit a crime in dubai, if you commit a crime in dubai, you fourth with in you are removed. fourth with in the uk we have human rights laws which prevent that because everyone has a right to a private and family life. so i'm afraid they've got to comply with that as while we're in

the parliamentary conservative party. predict, conservative party.e more centrist, more to the left than it is now , because the left than it is now, because all those people in the red wall seats will lose. and if you look at the people who've been chosen as this as candidates and i study this all pretty all the time, they are pretty middle of the road and the right are furious people are furious at how few people they're in. they're getting in. >> as top royals start >> coming up as top royals start dropping like flies, is king charles paying the price for a slimmed down monarchy? plus, prince harry has dropped his legal action against the mail on sunday. why we'll find out . radio. coming up. >> will the world be a safer place if donald trump returns to the white house and would a trump second turn be good for news britain? but first, we'll get to prince harry and his decision to cancel legal action against the mail on sunday in just a moment. but it's been a week of drama for the week of medical drama for the royal family, with princess catherine

, that therefore the conservative party should remove rishi sunak.servative mp i spoke to this week disagreed with simon clarke's first point. they only disagreed with his prescription — that changing leader would improve the situation. and that means that rishi sunak's position, ithink, is stilla bit more fragile than it appears, even though simon clarke ended up looking very isolated. and there are byelections to come. local elections to come. local elections in may. and the thing is, whether politicians like it or not and kemi badeonich, the business secretary, who was on with us this morning, does not like it at all. but whether they like it or not, they are all themselves, maybe not all, obsessed with the plot—ometer, you know, where is this? who's up? who's down? who's in? who's out? who's positioning themselves for the leadership? who's actually kind of given up? who is it? which former adviser has gone off and is having secret meetings in an office in the west end near an italian restaurant where they may or may not have had a meeting to plan

conservative party within the. conservative party as to how you deal with it and what the law is.en if it completes this evening in the commons, it's then got go the commons, it's then got to go to the and, and there's no to the lords and, and there's no question is a complex question it is a complex international matter, but at least conservative party in least the conservative party in whatever the bill goes to whatever form the bill goes to the lords, if that's what happens, is trying to do something . something. >> well, i suppose it's rather like the brexit renegotiation, isn't it ? you know, we'll go and isn't it? you know, we'll go and try and get a better deal. um, and some argue we have to stay part of the european union. a small minority in the tory party at the time argued through those years that we should leave, but didn't robert jenrick really actually sum it up beautifully by saying that all the things we're trying to achieve on rwanda are inconsistent with continued membership of echr. isn't that the really honest debate that the public deserve to hear ? to hear? >

in 1988, it started a process in which the conservative party, which was once predominantly pro-european became predominantly eurosceptic. all this happened against the background of international events, which were very useful for the conservatives. at the end of the 90s the cold war ended, free markets and institutions were restored. however, this event launched the next stage of european integration. as france revived the project of a single european currency, hoping to test the strength of a united germany. as a result, the divisions within the british government regarding european policy, which had deepened towards the end of the cold war, have now become particularly acute. on november 1 , 1990, sir jefrigao resigned and with his bitter farewell speech hastened the leadership challenge. margaret thatcher on mike's side heselteyn. in the next vote, she received the majority of votes. however, according to party rules, the margin was insufficient and a second vote was required. after receiving this news at a conference in paris, she immediately declared her intention to fight on. but

party that resent the _ chunk of the conservative party that resent the fact — chunk of the conservativet resent the fact that the _ chunk of the conservative party that resent the fact that the climate - resent the fact that the climate agenda — resent the fact that the climate agenda is — resent the fact that the climate agenda is of— resent the fact that the climate agenda is of the _ resent the fact that the climate agenda is of the left, _ resent the fact that the climate agenda is of the left, if- resent the fact that the climate agenda is of the left, if you - resent the fact that the climate i agenda is of the left, if you want your— agenda is of the left, if you want your kids — agenda is of the left, if you want your kids to— agenda is of the left, if you want your kids to breathe _ agenda is of the left, if you want your kids to breathe fresh - agenda is of the left, if you want your kids to breathe fresh air, i agenda is of the left, if you want your kids to breathe fresh air, if| your kids to breathe fresh air, if your kids to breathe fresh air, if you want— your kids to bre

the conservative party is looking _ some impact.ct. the conservative party is looking at the fact _ some impact. the conservative party is looking at the fact that _ some impact. the conservative party is looking at the fact that there - is looking at the fact that there are significant— is looking at the fact that there are significant numbers - is looking at the fact that there are significant numbers of- is looking at the fact that there . are significant numbers of people who are _ are significant numbers of people who are saying _ are significant numbers of people who are saying they _ are significant numbers of people who are saying they are - are significant numbers of people l who are saying they are undecided, that are _ who are saying they are undecided, that are not — who are saying they are undecided, that are not convinced _ who are saying they are undecided, that are not convinced by— who are saying they are undecided, that are not convinced by the - who are saying they are undecided, l that are not convinced by the la

so it's in our hands this it's in the conservative party's to conservative party's hands to sort out. great to have you back show. have a back on the show. have a cracking weekend and we'll speak soon. my to philip soon. my thanks to philip davies, conservative mp, who backs all the way, thinks backs rishi all the way, thinks talk of a leadership elections is madness . coming up as charles is madness. coming up as charles goes hospital . should goes into hospital. should prince up his royal prince william up his royal dufiesin prince william up his royal duties in order to support his father and prepare for becoming king? i'll be asking former royal correspondent and tv news legend nicholas owen don't go anywhere >> you're listening to gb news radio . coming up as the radio. coming up as the government appoints a regulator to tackle bbc bias. >> and with a top government science list telling the covid inquiry that our national state broadcaster may misrepresented covid to encourage lockdowns. can we still trust the bbc? we'll speak to an expert bbc star who's not happy with his old emp

conservative party wants to win. were you find that tendency you were talking boris talking about, about boris johnson, boris regret, johnson, kind of boris regret, regret . you that quite regret. um, you find that quite a lot more, um, significantly and especially i think, because you find that people have joined the party those battleground the party in those battleground seats, because of seats, in part because of johnson . it was him who johnson. it was him who attracted them to the conservative party he was a different kind of figure and leader. what i'm expressing here doesn't of may doesn't plenty of people may dislike johnson, but they dislike boris johnson, but they can. can i mean can. they can see what i mean when he seemed when they say he seemed different. he attracted new people to the brand, in people to the brand, and in those marketplace of those in the marketplace of ideas, kinds of seats, those in the marketplace of idewas kinds of seats, those in the marketplace of idewas one kinds of seats, those

historic defeat for the conservative party. this the conservative party.is the real issue. so i think number 10 going to be number !0 are going to be increasingly panicking as they go through the few weeks go through the next few weeks and months. go through the next few weeks ancwe're hs. go through the next few weeks ancwe're going on to when >> we're going to get on to when you back with me talking you come back with me talking about talking about about reform, talking about whether the helm about reform, talking about wireform the helm about reform, talking about wireform will the helm about reform, talking about wireform will improve the helm about reform, talking about wireform will improve things. elm of reform will improve things. i'd like you to talk me through those later. those numbers a little later. what you of the news what did you make of the news that rishi sunak had to of that rishi sunak had turn to of all people, dominic cummings for electoral advice? mean, electoral advice? i mean, i'm not surprised that that that meeting held. meeting

so it's in our hands this it's in the conservative party's to conservative party's hands to sort out.. >> philip, great to have you back show. have a back on the show. have a cracking weekend and we'll speak soon. my to philip soon. my thanks to philip davies, conservative mp, who backs all the way, thinks backs rishi all the way, thinks talk of a leadership elections is madness . coming up as charles is madness. coming up as charles goes hospital . should goes into hospital. should prince up his royal prince william up his royal dufiesin prince william up his royal duties in order to support his father and prepare for becoming king? i'll be asking former royal correspondent and tv news legend nicholas owen don't go anywhere >> you're listening to gb news radio . coming up as the radio. coming up as the government appoints a regulator to tackle bbc bias. >> and with a top government science list telling the covid inquiry that our national state broadcaster may misrepresented covid to encourage lockdowns. can we still trust the bbc? we'll speak to an expert bbc star who's not happy with

— not everybody in the conservative party feels — not everybody in the conservative party feelsnd up saying that they will have different — end up saying that they will have different people _ end up saying that they will have different people say— end up saying that they will have different people say different - different people say different things— different people say different things about _ different people say different things about that. _ different people say different things about that. that - different people say different things about that. that is - different people say different things about that. that is the different people say different - things about that. that is the issue they are _ things about that. that is the issue they are going _ things about that. that is the issue they are going to _ things about that. that is the issue they are going to have _ things about that. that is the issue they are going to have to _ things about that. that is the issue they are going to have to manage i they are going to have to manage about— they are going to have to manage

the conservative party would never have in small have me. erprise. and jacob does. but his party doesn't. anyway, let's have look the weather. have a look at the weather. >> like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. box spoilers, sponsors of weather on gb news . good evening. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie from the met office. thursday is going to be another mild day. quite a cloudy one though, with rain particularly across western areas. that's his weather front across western areas. that's his weatherfront approaching weather front is approaching throughout from the throughout tonight from the south west. it's a warm south and west. it's a warm front so it will bring milder air and ahead of it we do have a ridge higher pressure, ridge of higher pressure, so that's things so that's settling things down. so a crisp evening for a clear and crisp evening for many northern and eastern areas. we'll see mist and fog we'll see some mist and fog starting develop. low cloud we'll see some mist and f

this is the conservative party's flagship policy. whatever any of us in the studio, think of it. hat rishi sunak cannot manage his own party on his biggest single, most obvious policy, how on earth are they going to be able to vote for him and his party in an election? >> yeah, but hold on, because i heard someone i do forget which mp was. you might know mp it was. you might know quentin. i had an mp talking about this earlier about the about this earlier on about the divisions party, and he said conservative party, and he said a line which really stuck with me. says, well, not me. he says, well, we're not a cult. we have brains and we think, and we respect and we represent our constituents. it's and actually resonated and actually it really resonated with me that there's this kind of mindset, like just of mindset, like you've just said it yourself. he can't manage party. he can't manage his party. he can't manage his party. he can't manage party well. people manage his party well. people have and have different opinions. and this issue. this is a really divisive issue. i to agree

you represent the conservative party.g is to put it politely. it looks as though the party could be almost wiped out at the next election, which is going to come within pretty much the next calendar year — it's bound to. in response, it looks like the party is tempted to lurch to a sort of new brand of populism, perhaps best signified by this idea that the government wants to send illegal entrants, migrants into the country, to rwanda rather than have their asylum claims processed in the united kingdom itself. are you a supporter of that policy? so i don't support the rwanda policy and i've been very outspoken about that. but offshoring is not the same as the rwanda policy. 0ffshoring has been proven to be legal. and the labour party — as we know, tony blair... yeah, sure, but i'm actually very interested in the rwanda policy itself because it seems to symbolise so much. yes. you know, taking one of the richest countries in the world's migration problem and offshoring it to a country like rwanda in the middle of africa, m

>> think the >> i still think the conservative party is the best party moving forward to get us out of's very kind of. richard, we've had a few, you know, a few dingos few, um, you know, a few dingos over the past few weeks. the best forward solve this best way forward to solve this problem a strong conservative problem is a strong conservative party strong mps like party with strong mps like myself. >> e mean, it's >> funny. i mean, it's very interesting to interesting that it has led to people resigning what is, people resigning over what is, in as you're pointing out, in fact, as you're pointing out, quite a complex legal issue. this isn't your normal resignation over some, um, straightforward political right or wrong. it's really in the detail of legal effectiveness. >> yes, indeed . and it's really >> yes, indeed. and it's really about the interplay between parliamentary sovereignty and the role of the courts in our judicial landscape . and as judicial landscape. and as i pointed out, techniques of statutory interpretation, reading down, reading up, whatever you like to call it, i

pearson in news guest alison pearson has in her typically acerbic fashion, perhaps given the conservative party mean, this is the best idea mother worked in idea since my mother worked in the party press the conservative party press office in early 90s. office in the early 90s. >> went wrong in the early 19605? 1960s? >> pasting this picture of sir keir starmer taking the knee to the blm neo marxist mob all over the blm neo marxist mob all over the country at the next election? the question is , election? so the question is, will picture come back to will this picture come back to haunt starmer ? um, haunt sir keir starmer? um, kelvin is a great picture, isn't it? >> it's a fantastic picture i've taken, i think, about four years ago. i think , um, on, on when on ago. i think, um, on, on when on the death of that of the, the chapin the death of that of the, the chap in the united states and, you know, very sad that was and, and that that police officer got and that that police officer got a massive sentence and quite right too . the question is, are right too. the question is, are we going to be

in the last few moments, the two deputy chairmen of conservative party have resigned.comes as mps are voting on the government's plan to remove asylum seekers to rwanda. let's go straight to our political editor chris mason at westminster. hello. these two resignations just announced in the last moment or two, in fact, i havejust been announced in the last moment or two, in fact, i have just been sent the letter of resignation sent by lea anderson and also brendan clarke—smith, both deputy chairman of the conservative party, and i must admit, i have not yet read it. and the argument they are making and have been making for the last 2a hours or so is that they think it is right to back some proposed changes to the government's plan as far as rwanda and asylum seekers are concerned. this idea of sending some asylum seekers to east africa. a concern from them and some of their conservative colleagues that the government's latest attempt to make this policy work isn't strong enough, therefore in their view is likely to fail. here is an idea. i will read the resignation let

gerald: that takes you to the broar question of the conservative movement and the conservative republican party. when i got to washington and ronald reagan was president, the conservative movement intohe republican party jennifer free-trade, limited government, limited executive power. the virtues of immigration and what immigrants have added to the country. you could argue none of those things are holding in the republican party today. is the republican party still a conservative party? ms. cheney: i would say no for a couple of asons. one is the most conservative of all the conservative things we believe is fidelity to the constitution. the party has gone down aath a way from that. secondly, national secury policy. the party has far too many members that prefer isolationism. the fact it is republicans that are threatening aid to ukraine and republicans cannot pass aid ukraine and israel, have a lot of procedural explanations for why they can't get aid to ukraine past, the meantime vladimir putin is watching with glee. that's not the party of reagan. it's not the rty that is effeively advocati

and i think if conservative party goes if the conservative party goes in direction just in the direction that narrow base , appealing to that narrow base, you'll not only lose, you'll lose even bigger than you otherwise would have done. it depends how you define the centre ground. >> see this poll, 90% of >> if you see this poll, 90% of people immigration people want immigration controlled and they think controlled more and they think it's 10th what it is. it's a 10th of what it is. i >> i want immigration control. this is chaos. >> the centre ground is actually for rigorous migration policy. for a rigorous migration policy. the centre ground is not for the liberal migration policy we've had last 25 years, but had for the last 25 years, but it's for a migration policy that works. >> go back to the last labour government when was government when i was a minister, and acknowledge minister, and i'll acknowledge before 2003, 2004, asylum before about 2003, 2004, asylum numbers had got out of control. we then were relentlessly focussed on reducing the numbers by returns agreements, by process

in the uk, rather like being _ conservative party in the uk, rather like being in— conservativety in the uk, rather like being in government. there was always— like being in government. there was always perhaps rupture coming between — always perhaps rupture coming between the pragmatism that is involved — between the pragmatism that is involved in being in government and the essence of the dup, which is a very unionist party. that is what it is about — very unionist party. that is what it is about. and there is this drama with— is about. and there is this drama with the — is about. and there is this drama with the loyalist jamie bryson hearing — with the loyalist jamie bryson hearing what is going on and what he is relaying _ hearing what is going on and what he is relaying is— hearing what is going on and what he is relaying is fundamentally what we understood what nick was saying about legislation to protect the union. — about legislation to protect the union, reductions in cheques and so on. union, reductions in cheques and so on but— union, reductions in cheques and so on b

want to stop this problem _ conservative party want to stop this problem of — conservative partyitor caught up with him at davos on the world economic forum and asked him about the plan, so let's have a look at what he had to say and at least i can fill in some of the words. is the uk deal working? this supreme court said your country is not saved,isit court said your country is not saved, is it safe for refugees? asked the uk. it is the uk's problem. _ asked the uk. it is the uk's problem, not rwanda full stop you getting _ problem, not rwanda full stop you getting hundreds of millions of uk taxpayer— getting hundreds of millions of uk taxpayer money but not a refugee? right. _ taxpayer money but not a refugee? right, well, paul kagame saying it is the uk's problem and this is despite the fact rishi sunak as prime minister has said that the reason we cannot toughen up the bill is because paul kagame will pull it if the international treaties are not actually upheld. it sounds to me like a paul kagame has had enough. to be fair he was doorstep and what he doesn't _ to be fair he