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at least you can order on this conservancy without pro fee animals on this conservancy. it gives a purpose to the animals. if there is no purpose to the animals, the animals is not going to survive at the end of the day. the isn't it good to be able to sacrifice one of those bowls in order to make all of the others live in this area? because that one who can do the protein that we give to the villages for that area . that one boat can do. cash payments for the area, and it actually gives value to the elephant that one of the one thing is clear. humans are responsible for the low numbers of elephants. the elephant population has declined dramatically in the 20th century. mainly because they were hunted for the ivory population stabilized at low levels in the 1990s, hunters all to use it, elephants are especially abundant and areas where hunting revenues, fund conservation meshes. and steve and jacob says that animals can be hunted asset k, i think is it go on thing is to me is like sure that the good the, the animal or the prize taken on the most cleanly and, and most you

with the conservative. i'm going to prove that that is not the case and it may be, as nature preserves, are among the poorest regions in the country. money from all kinds of tourism is supposed to help low cost lives a better life cruise took a closer look. got to talk to this guy. hello. hello. do they give you money? a road next? nothing. no, no, no, no, jobs job. no. and you can service and do they fix the broken well, no more. no, no, i know about that. but that keeping the water for themselves have the money for the that the conservancy gets where do you think that goes from that money? we do not even benefit anything as we as still subheading. what do we get? nothing. even visa, we did not gave a team these things during our travels without them cruise. we own, he met a few people who benefited from the income like in this century, right because of the benefiting directly of our said plus minus. let me put that off for the 1890. 2 confirms that say each and every one will fail to hold the whole class.

it looks as though the conservatives are doing quite well.rishi sunak had waited until the autumn, you might still be an mp? >> i mean, the truth is we'll neven >> i mean, the truth is we'll never. well, i would still be an mp now , certainly. but more mp now, certainly. but more importantly, would i be an mp after october? for what it's worth, i always thought october was was was the best date to do it. we'll never know is the is the honest answer because things could could have got worse. but but i if i had to, you know, come down on one side or the other, i would come down and say, yeah, we should have waited. partly because our own party was was slightly wrong footed by going early . so footed by going early. so i think we would have done better in october than we did in july. >> well, what's your instinct about why he did decide to go early? was it that he was worried about sort of farage being able to get his ship in order by october? obviously back in the summer it looked as though reform weren't very organised. do you think that was i

as conservative people say, what does it mean to be a conservative? on the one hand, i don't want to conserve the current state of things where we have woke corporations, indoctrination's in the schools, prosecutors letting criminals out of jail, all that. so what i think florida represents and what we can do nationally is a great rediscovery, where we are restoring the timeless truths that have made this country great. because when we show fidelity to those founding principles, you have to apply it differently than james madison did or lincoln or reagan to new circumstances, but when we have fidelity to those founding principles, we do well as a country. please are not just timepieces, these are things that endure. we have lost that over recent years, but i absolutely think we have got a pathway to be able to get it back. mr. erickson: governor ron desantis, thank you. thank you so much. [applause] mr. erickson: ladies and gentlemen, thanks again for governor desantis for coming up, particularly in light of having the hurricane situation down in flor

that's conservation. as farmers in south africa doing of and for life, we predict that city lines alliance all day in the world because people kind of out of common not yeah for way cheaper than going down to a line into well south african breeding centers now account for almost a so just african lions not to the companies to spend stuff to the slope. of course i understand that people are troubled by that concept. but why doesn't anyone complain about the cattle that are slaughtered to move this lion? this animal is also bred and has been hunted while the cattle are slaughtered, visiting 50 so often. but does this argument really make sense? presto, good amazed breeds, more than just lions for hunting. he stores meat from the other animals and selves it. but not flying late to meet the alliance, we just got them for the way. you cannot do anything well, but it goes if you start facing the lion, meet back to the lions, i get the dice for alliance. and then actually when they start fighting each other and

and blame the conservative administration. chiefiy— the conservative administration.ly to do. i think it was devoid of hope, this speech. it it was devoid of hope, this speech. it was _ it was devoid of hope, this speech. it was very. — it was devoid of hope, this speech. it was very, very dire, it was very abrupt— it was very, very dire, it was very abrupt in— it was very, very dire, it was very abrupt in his— it was very, very dire, it was very abrupt in his nature. there was very little _ abrupt in his nature. there was very little essence of things getting any beiten _ little essence of things getting any better. but in one respect i'm glad he was _ better. but in one respect i'm glad he was honest about the state of the finances _ he was honest about the state of the finances i_ he was honest about the state of the finances. i don't think anybody can argue _ finances. i don't think anybody can argue that — finances. i don't think anybody can argue that. there does seem to be a real problem as to where this money is going _ real problem as to where this money is g

i never really met conservatives before. retreated really well conversations were great i got to know arthur we became friends over the years. that was 2006 or seven. that's wrote when i started working on the righteous mind. with politics and religion. that began a period of trying to understand conservatively returns they can write about on us in the book. that really opened my mind made me stopping a partisan anything. i may be a better social scientists. floods look for good ideas all over them and see what we can do for them. a lot of materials i have not shown before this 25 minute talk. i'm going to my soul book into different ways as chris said basic argument is the play-based childhood which is withheld for millions of years because were mammals in all mammals play when they are young. it paid out gradually in this country all the sudden the blink of an eye that swept into 2010 and 2015. that i think is what did it that pushed jen see over the edge also admitted that in a moment. we have overprotected our children a

is nigel farage a conservative in your mind ? conservative in your mind?urse he's a conservative. chris everything he says, whether it be on the economy , on the need to economy, on the need to regenerate some of our lost behind communities, international aid , taxation, international aid, taxation, immigration, all of those things. nigel is a core, authentic conservative, and i think that's how the grassroots of a conservative party would see him. whether the conservative leadership hopefuls, like it or not, he is the standout, charismatic figure on the right of the party, and i'm afraid he captures the hopes and dreams of millions of lost tory voters, which at the moment i'm not seeing any of the leadership hopefuls really tapping into or trying to aspire to. >> so, scott, in that case, then as a as a former red wall tory mp and of course , you, you left mp and of course, you, you left you left the party over other other issues in the last parliament. why do you think all six candidates are turning their back on nigel farage? >> oh, well, i think you rea

she needs to be conservative leader and people once again vote conservative.topher hope's interview covered a good deal of ground with the former home secretary. everything from the tory leadership race to why we lost the general election to failing the electorate. on the issue of immigration. so joining me now to discuss this is my most intellectual panel. gb news is senior political commentator nigel nelson and the former adviser to boris johnson, lord moylan. daniel, i'm going to come to you first with this amazing chart that suella made that we campaigned as right wingers and governed as socialists. that's a terrible failure and indictment. >> well, it's a it's a very stark way of putting it. but the truth is, when you do look at what government was doing and broadly having got brexit done, and if you like, having got covid out of the way, it's very difficult to distinguish between what they were doing and what sir keir starmer's government is currently doing. and one of the interesting things about starmer is how desperately unradical and, and conservativ

change from a liberal washing zone to a conservative. washington. we have a prescription for every american who wants change in washington. throw out the big government, liberals and elect john mccain and sarah palin. it's the same prescription, a stronger economy. i spent 25 years in the private sector. i've done business in many foreign countries, know why jobs come and, why they go away. and i know that liberals don't a clue that they are. they think that we have the biggest and strongest economy in the world because of our government. they're wrong. america is strong because of the ingenuity and entrepreneurship and hard work of the american people. the american people have always been the source of our nation's strength, and they always will be. we we strengthen our people and our economy when. we preserve and promote opportune d opportunity is what let's hope become reality. opportunity expands when excellence and choice in education and when taxes are lowered. when every citizen has affordable portable health, portable health insurance, and w

she needs to be conservative leader and people once again vote conservative.pher hope's interview covered a good deal of ground with the former home secretary. everything from the tory leadership race to why we lost the general election to failing the electorate. on the issue of immigration. so joining me now to discuss this is my most intellectual panel. gb news is senior political commentator nigel nelson and the former adviser to boris johnson, lord moylan. daniel, i'm going to come to you first with this amazing chart that suella made that we campaigned as right wingers and governed as socialists. that's a terrible failure and indictment. >> well, it's a it's a very stark way of putting it. but the truth is, when you do look at what government was doing and broadly having got brexit done, and if you like, having got covid out of the way, it's very difficult to distinguish between what they were doing and what sir keir starmer's government is currently doing. and one of the interesting things about starmer is how desperately unradical and, and conservative

conservatives are happier. that was one of the points about this book of happiness, was gross national happiness i think that was a title. that was one of the point is this finding that liberals are more neurotic, a little bit more creative, and less conscientious it so there are some well-known personality differences that when you walk into room like just by looking i know this is not a left-wing group because those men are wearing jackets and all sorts of things that wouldn't happen if this was the progressive organization. these things have long been known but the differences have usually been pretty small intel 2010. here's what happened. everyone is up but the liberal boys and girls got up first and the little girls go up first and fastest. there are other data sets assure the exact same thing. this is pew, that this panel they do repeatedly and one was scheduled to happen to do in april 2020. this is just as we're all afraid of covid, all concerned. the question was has a doctor or healthcare provider ev

and this is and was durkheim's appointee was not a conservative but read by conservatives a lot.rfect freedom is really, really bad for us. we need constraints. we need restrictions. we needed duties to others. if we don't have that it's all about me all the time. the phones have allowed young people to pretty much everything they want whenever they want for free with no effort. if you are a boy why bother talking to a girl being embarrassed you can have amazing sex with her virtual girlfriend you can design however you want this is before they're put into robots the robotics process is so facile have physical three dimensional robot girlfriends are just not going to develop the skills of talking to girls and women. this is just something that really bothers me. >> thank you. right in the spirit of durkheim let's keep it to a minimum in your questions. but we have microphones if you will raise your hand and wait until the microphone comes to you. we have one here upfront. they are bringing you a mic. >> hi, thank you. wonderful talk. i am a boomer i walked to school first grade w

the way i explained this to a conservative who, may not share conservative goals, but a conservativeho says the right ways to use muscular state intervention to achieve our goals or else we will never get there. to use the case of u.s. steel, anybody in the room know who the top shareholders are of u.s. steel? >> blackrock. vivek: blackrock. blackrock is the top shareholder of u.s. steel, a top shareholder, along with vanguard. the very institutions that have advanced so-called environmental, social, and governance agendas through proxy voting power in american corporations, since i do find it to be a bit of a mystery that it would be a nominally conservative call for the u.s. government to intervene on behalf of blackrock to remain the largest shareholder of an american corporation, when in fact, that so american fund of blackrock has been voting for emissions caps u.s. companies while failing to vote for the same caps on chinese companies, has been voting for diversity quotas and mandates in u.s. company boardrooms in a way they have not been doing in ex-u.s. company boardrooms, ra

they, if you're liberal, you should listen to conservative news. conservative shouldn't listen to liberal news. i mean, when i share the data that women, especially liberal women will not data republican. i get it. i do not, i not in the business to tell people whom to love, but they should at least develop more moderate views and listen to them before making decisions. so that is my hope if we could get in that direction and get kids and young people out of their bubbles into the classrooms, talking about these issues. we'll do a lot back, shawn, women in man as groups are your, your favorable? oh yeah, yeah, we've had women come and speak, and men's group and men are open to it. you know, a lot of men are open to the ideas behind the feminist movements. and some of the criticisms of the patriarchy, what they don't like about the movement, what they don't appreciate is what i say shit share their be using the situation on it. they're immediately shut down for being a man. or, of course, you'd say that you're a white man, me and how do you bring men and women together in your opinion, is

change from a liberal washing zone to a conservative. washington. we have a prescription for every american who wants change in washington. throw out the big government, liberals and elect john mccain and sarah palin. it's the same prescription, a stronger economy. i spent 25 years in the private sector. i've done business in many foreign countries, know why jobs come and, why they go away. and i know that liberals don't a clue that they are. they think that we have the biggest and strongest economy in the world because of our government. they're wrong. america is strong because of the ingenuity and entrepreneurship and hard work of the american people. the american people have always been the source of our nation's strength, and they always will be. we we strengthen our people and our economy when. we preserve and promote opportune d opportunity is what let's hope become reality. opportunity expands when excellence and choice in education and when taxes are lowered. when every citizen has affordable portable health, portable health insurance, and w

>> well, i'm not a conservative. >> well, i'm not a conservative. >> i know that.>> indeed they do, i would have thought that priti patel might be the person who could unite the party, because what you need to do is bring left and right together. >> and she has. which paul, you were talking about. she doesn't look like a central casting tory politician. >> this is probably the most difficult challenge for an opposition conservative leader even opposition conservative leader ever. it's not like you're simply facing labour at the next election. it's not absurd to suggest that the four parties in the in england could get 25% each. the conservatives are facing a huge new challenge for reform, plus a labour government, plus the lib dems eating away at their vote in the home counties and have had a very difficult 13 years, partly for reasons that are their fault and partly for reasons that are not. this is a titanic challenge to whoever is fortunate or unfortunate enough to win. >> and do you believe, which i think will be very important to conservative voters, that robe

we only need 5000 administration position and there are tens of millions of conservative voters. if you're not prepared to be bold, we can manage it without you. i use to run presidential personnel at the white house. host: what do you think? guest: you have to understand who dan hoff is, a former advisor to president trump, someone very close to the operation and would have a second role in the administration. the context of what the 880 seven page policy blueprint lays out. that is a dramatic course correction for the country. to hear dan huff say that and hear him instructing future political appointees on that kind of approach and to see that document as well, i think it contributes to the idea that for all that the trump political campaign says now, distancing itself, the people that would implement these in a potential next trump administration are preparing people to implement something in that policy blueprint. host: let's talk to ron, republican in fort lauderdale, florida. you are on with andy kroll. caller: thank you for taking my call. when you first started speaking,

do you trust the conservatives?ntrol of our borders and of our country? get in touch the usual ways, gbnews.com/yoursay. but now your headlines. and here's sophia wenzler. >> martin. >> martin. >> thank you. good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 4:00. your top story this hour. gone 4:00. your top story this hour . a gone 4:00. your top story this hour. a murder investigation has been launched after a 13 year old boy was stabbed to death at a house in the west midlands. the teenager was treated by paramedics but died at the scene in oldbury yesterday afternoon. no one has been arrested so far and police have called his death and police have called his death an absolute tragedy. local youth worker darius rehman told us he's shocked. >> i'm feeling really sad and i don't know whether to blame ourselves or our service or our government. are we failing? it's going to be really sad for the family as well to live with that. their child is not normal and for the community as well . and for the community as wel

a plan inherited from the conservatives.85,000 more places will be needed to be able to extend that free support to 30 hours a week from september next year. well, baroness jacqui smith told us earlier that it will be an enormously difficult job to make that work . that work. >> we've been really knuckling down since we got into government, boosting up the recruitment campaign for, for example , do something big, which example, do something big, which encourages people to come into the childcare workforce, making sure that we've got apprenticeships in place for people developing the new t level in early years education. thatis level in early years education. that is actually very popular and successful and enabling more people to be trained. and it's why we'll be working between now and next year with early years providers, with local authorities, to make sure that those places, as far as we can do are there for parents in the us. >> kamala harris has defended changing her mind on some key policies since becoming the democra

and in fact, 36% of conservative voters don't care who the next leader is.oint to the sheer level of disengagement, point to the sheer level of disengagement , despondency, and disengagement, despondency, and disappointment with the conservatives, not only from the wider electorate, but from your own voters and where do you move on from there? >> well, that's why. and that's why i'm challenging the leadership contenders to get rather more realistic about the whole of the conservative party has found itself in the conservative party, only got 24% of the vote in the last general election, and labour only got 34% of the vote because they were actually losing votes. and they were unpopular as well, because people thought there was quite a lot of similarity between the policies the conservatives had been practising, and quite a lot of the policies which labour would have carried on with or are now carrying on with. and so, yes, there's a massive disconnect between the consensus policies the two main parties have been following and where the bulk of the electorate

that previous administration and the 14 years of conservative rule.- years of conservative rule.ervative rule. that is the message that will _ years of conservative rule. that is the message that will be - years of conservative rule. that is i the message that will be hammered years of conservative rule. that is - the message that will be hammered by this new government. the borrowing from the george osborne —— they are borrowing from the george osborne and david cameron

they're welcoming the cou n le conservatives? they're welcoming the cou-le of conservatives?conservatives? they're welcoming the couple of measures i _ conservatives? they're welcoming the couple of measures i mentioned, - conservatives? they're welcoming the couple of measures i mentioned, theyj couple of measures i mentioned, they say more resource and detention capacity is welcome. but james cleverley says that it doesn't go far enough. he says this plan does not scratch the surface and is not nearly ambitious enough. thank you. thank you. let's speak to danny shaw. he was a senior adviser to yvette cooper during her time as shadow home secretary. she is now promising to reach "the highest rate of removals" since theresa may's premiership. that does seem to be a modest step? it is a very modest target, because the number of removals overall last year was around about the same as in 2018. so i think there will be some ramping up required, but i'm sure that the home office won't have set this target without realising that it could be achieved, because the last thing they wan

way with the conservative way with the conservative vision unleashing our latent growth and improvingtandard of living for everyone. as always , let me know everyone. as always, let me know your thoughts mailmogg@gbnews.com with me now is my most intellectual panel gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and the conservative peer and journalist paul goodman. nigel, it's very interesting. tom tugendhat today has called for an absolute cap on legal migration of 100,000. we'll see in a moment what jenrick has to say. this is one of the key defining issues of the tory leadership campaign, which does seem to be everyone seems to be banging on about immigration rather than anything else. >> i mean, some of the points you were making there that i don't think we should, leave, all the international legal bodies. so i don't think we should leave echr. i'm disappointed. you think the refugee convention doesn't work, and we should leave that. i mean, you didn't mention the 1967 protocol. the original convention was really about refugees in europe after the second world war in 1967. th

i'll be coming indeed more conservative. there's to 29 percent of them, for example, who think of that of being in mind is halted in being a woman, but there is a greater proportion 35 percent of the same group, younger man who think that it is the opposite. that is harder for women, but it's hard to be a woman. and so what i observed is the need for munoz, because the danger of lung thing oh man, in the same group means that if they are pro feminist feminist, as seen by society is invalid. lawyer, and that is a false narrative. so yes, there is a minority of a more conservative young man, but then the majority. yes, that's very interesting. so what is already what seems already to be quite complex . it's even more complex than what we're talking about here calling. what would you say are the systemic structural challenges, the finding of gender dynamics among jen z? well, i think the debate is a little bit more nuanced spend just a moment of re coming, more liberal. you know, tennessee women and become more liberal, attends

that you quoted where they said this is the mainstream conservative laundry list.cal extraordinarily extreme group. one of the first things they did, if i may, in 1974, there was kind of a battle over textbooks in west virginia. the school district there was a signing greek myths, for example, to the students to compare to christian myths and people got so mad about this that a right-wing fundamentalist blew up the school board building with dynamite. and one of the first things the heritage foundation did was send a lawyer down to defend the terrorist you know, by 1980, they were seen as mainstream and they're kind of informing the reagan administration. >> something you said is really interesting. it's disguised as scholarship. one of the reasons why we do something on project 2025 on every single show since this has been published is because it's horrible scholarship. it's not scholarship, it's hard to read, it's -- your brain is not better for having read it. and i say that because, i would be happy to read lots of good conservative scholarship. but that is an

i'm sure if you did a poll of conservative voters, definitely conservative voters, definitely conservative, the interest level would be much, much higher. but at the last general election, the conservative party got an absolute battering. we lost 170 seats. that is a that is an absolute disgraceful third of tory voters in this same poll said that even they don't care who's who takes this job. >> so it's not just broader public, but it means that two thirds do care. >> and as i said, it would be much higher. that is significantly higher than two thirds. not caring is it? the numbers match up quite well, but the job of the new conservative party leader and the part of this process is to step back, say we let the public down badly. we lost the trust of the public. how do we change that? funnily enough, in a similar way as keir starmer did after the labour party had their worst general election results since the 1930s. back in 2019, and turned it round in five years to put them in an election winning position. i don't dismiss it at all. the conservative party, if it ever wants to be in power a

and the conservatives never recovered. i agree they probably would have lost, even with the factors that you mentioned about this general sense of incompetence. obviously concerns about the national health service, some people immigration as well, but it was also about trust. and until the tories get to grips with that, they're not going to win an election. i happen to think that no one can say for sure, michelle, who's going to win the next election? and i think any of us would be foolish to do so. but i don't think that any of the current conservative candidates will be the next prime minister. that takes us into that election. i think that whoever it is will probably take the conservatives in for a couple of years. but there's just such a mountain to climb, and all of them are so implicated as daniel just said, i don't see the party staying with them for the next five years. >> did you see that poll the other day, the number of i think it was tory members that were saying that they wanted a merge, basically with reform.

, perhaps, who felt so fed up with the conservative government at the conservative government at the last election that they decided to vote labour. their stance on immigration will be very different. and as boris johnson pointed out in the mail on sunday, yesterday, 34% of the general public actually believe that although they don't agree with what the rioters are doing, they believe that they have a legitimate cause in worrying about the effects of uncontrolled migration. so what is keir starmer going to do about that? if he can possibly , about that? if he can possibly, manage it, he will avoid all conversation about it and just carry on talking about throwing these rioters in prison . that's these rioters in prison. that's ground where he feels far more comfortable. >> and olivia , wherever are the >> and olivia, wherever are the conservative party out with this? because it doesn't seem to be much in the way of opposition, apart from perhaps elon musk. >> well, absolutely. i mean , >> well, absolutely. i mean, elon musk has been very, very vocal indeed on social media. >> he was

the conservative _ attacks, anything you like? me: conservative party attacks, anything you like?sort of comment that got the conservative party i think into the position it did last general election which is people, not only quite a lot of people recoiled at this idea, and a lot of other people thought, you are never going to do that. so it was a combination of repulsive to some people and completely unrealistic to others, so the conservatives probably managed to lose votes to everyone. do the conservatives probably managed to lose votes to everyone.— to lose votes to everyone. do you have a favourite _ to lose votes to everyone. do you have a favourite of _ to lose votes to everyone. do you have a favourite of the _ to lose votes to everyone. do you have a favourite of the six? - to lose votes to everyone. do you have a favourite of the six? i - to lose votes to everyone. do you have a favourite of the six? i do l have a favourite of the six? i do it. have a favourite of the six? i do it- would _ have a favourite of the six? i do it- would you — have a favourite of the six? i do

and now we come in, we do some conservation, we bring alternative livelihoods. and next year, only $500.00 hector's were the for us to we can say, okay, that extra $500.00 hector's is equivalent to exactly this. many tons of carbon dioxide emissions that would have gone to the atmosphere if they had not been conserved. private companies are interested in buying to offset their own carbon footprint. some locals, all skeptical of a size business model. how does it affect local fishes nearby, we need help with the amount of weight upon gain who relies on demand growth, so his livelihood. unless i go to the 1st comment to them i did. did you see the all stuff i saw one source of his income is harvesting oysters from the mangrove roots. lisa, he sells them for $0.70 aquino, for the call them storage to work and for the common credits to be internationally verified. a ceiling needs the rates of the deforestation of the men grows to be slow down time gay is willing to make changes, but he needs support. for example, the means to keep his fish fresh, so it can be sold a

but we in the conservative party— truth. but we in the conservative party need — truth.ts instead of reheating old rails. weirdly, i agree. weirdly, iagree. this weirdly, i agree. this is more than about liz truss's mini budget. 14 years of conservative government decimated our foundations, years of conservative government decimated ourfoundations, not decimated our foundations, not investing decimated ourfoundations, not investing in our energy security. jackie doyle—price is saying her opponents who unseated her doing good politics but maybe we could talk about politics that has a question over it. rachel reeves talking about the inheritance that started 14 years ago. guess who was in government propping up the conservatives with austerity? presumably pretty big questions for your party although you are a free person now. your party although you are a free person now-— your party although you are a free person now. much more relaxing! i think there — person now. much more relaxing! i think there is _ person now. much more relaxing! i think there is a _ person now. much

it's a really important thing that no government, conservative, laboun government, conservative, labourne else has wanted to tackle. it's something we must if we want to get migration down in the future. >> matthew talbot, you have a wry smile on your face. tell us why. >> i'd like to welcome comrade patel to the movement of liberal migration levels. it was nice to hear some context from her. and, you know, a sensible discussion, itend you know, a sensible discussion, i tend to think, which you. i suppose you'd expect. we look at this almost through the wrong end of the telescope. i think we have an ageing population and the great things about scientific advancement is we all get to live longer, and we have lots of medicines and whatever else. but i think what that means is we should look a bit less at the proportions and how maybe a bit more , why our public maybe a bit more, why our public services need things like immigration. so if you look back to the 80s, we had about four working people per pensioner. now we're at 2 or 3 and that's going to come further down, even more so without

you've introduced me as a conservative _ them? you've introduced me as a conservative and _ them?times think what mrs thatcher would say in a circumstance like this and she would have a different view perhaps this government from a previous tory administration is in some of the multicultural and immigration but herfirst and foremost multicultural and immigration but her first and foremost response would be to condemn the thuggery. a lot of it is alcohol fuelled, its drug fuelled, it's completely unacceptable, and any decent person in britain today, a patriot, a christian, someone who believes that western civilisation and that front line and liverpool wouldn't be on the side of defending the mosque, not attacking it. these people do not attacking it. these people do not speak for all those people in britain who do have some real questions about community cohesion. there is no excuse, no defence, for what we are seeing in too many cities, too many northern towns in britain at the moment. {ace cities, too many northern towns in britain at the moment. coco khan? i'm not convinced _ b

i don't think it's the conservatives in the conservatives in the conservatives interests.e conservative party for two major reasons. firstly, he's not conservative, he's a libertarian. he doesn't actually believe in conservative values and secondly, nigel farage, as we all know, if we're honest , is we all know, if we're honest, is only interested in nigel farage. so he will do whatever it takes to keep himself in the limelight and to keep himself relevant. but he's not a conservative he doesn't care about. >> there are there are lots of people in the conservative party who perhaps are neoliberal or who perhaps are neoliberal or who are libertarian, who aren't necessarily traditionally of the small c conservative variety of conservative. is it not a mistake to alienate supporters of nigel farage, who could potentially come back to the conservatives with the right leader ? leader? >> well, i think all election winning machines, whether they're labour or conservative, they're labour or conservative, they have to be broad churches. and i think actually labour did a very good