constanze: that is not precise. they are good friends with neo-nazis but they are not by definition neo-nazi and i think that is important thing to say. the gentleman to mastic intelligence service has determined them to be some of the state organizations right-wing extremists, but they have been very careful in avoiding, except for some fringe figures and one or two of their leaders, in avoiding nazi language. forgive me, i say that because it is done deliberately and strategically and one of the things that make it difficult for example to outright ban them which no doubt the vice president of the united states would consider another suppression of free speech. if that was attempted. that is where we are. i think friedrich merz will be quite constrained by an extreme right wing that will be out to split his party. i think he will try to reach out to europe and try to reach out to nato, but i am going to put out there that ultimately i think he may end up being a transitional figure in what will be an ever more ger

constanze: yeah. and the danes and so one. the other thing operating here apart from profound anger about what is being done to ukraine and the lies being told about that in moscow and elsewhere -- anastasiia: and in washington now. constanze: why don't you just let me put it my way question ? the other thing that of course is motivating europeans is a very real, visceral fear about the degree of russian disinformation and sabotage in europe and in germany. there's especially an amount of meddling in the german election that we have not seen since the cold war and maybe not even then. and the intelligence services across europe but also in germany -- even in germany, i should say because they were , long reticent about this could have been forthright in calling this out and attributing it. i think the russians have stopped bothering trying to hide their signatures. the people i met in brussels were working day and night to -- were working day and night to cobble together support for ukraine. were working day and night to cobbl

thank you. >> constanze? >> it's a good question. to be honest. and i think there are a number of things here that are in play. sanctions, the use of the russian frozen assets as collateral for further expenditures on behalf of ukraine, ukraine's nato membership. to which we have paid lip service, but which i think is -- require some sort of commitment. of course, a security guarantee of whatever kind and a german friend of mine, commentator has said that security guarantee is a pompous word for weapon deliveries. at this point is a correct description of what we are talking about. there are still this proposal of putting european troops into the theater most notably endorsed. that's something that the russians oppose. to be completely honest here, i can envision a situation where the europeans want to be more muscularly supported where the white house says that's not what we want and we are doing the opposite of that. where there may be quite unpleasant conversations between the white house and individual european countries on whether it was advi

. >> i'd just like to add something important to what constanze said to you, they definitely do not feelt, and in the united states do not feel it, and i've spent time talking why ukraine is important to are the united states not just because of ukrainians, but the independence on the larger system and rooted in the transatlantic alliance and prospered about it and we've forgotten about as time has gone on. in the u.k. they forgot why europe was important, and voted for brexit and they forget where things over time where things are. in europe right now, people know they're under siege from russia all the time. as we're sitting talking, an inquest has been going on in london about the death of dawn sturgis, it's not a household name here, but in europe, she was unfortunately killed from a bottom of perfume the russian military discarded in a donation bin that her partner brought home and spread the perfume on each other and found it's a deadly weapons grade nerve agent use today poison the russian spy's daughter in salisbury. this was found because the u.k. has a facility in salisbury, an