to talk more about this we've invited edwin cameron he's a judge on south africa's constitutional court justice cameron has spent many is spearheading hiv aids campaigns and activism while comes to. justice cameron it's been twenty since you went public about hiv positive are you disappointed that in two thousand and nineteen people in africa also ostracized and discriminated against for being a positive. i think i wouldn't say disappointed because that sounds as though they don't but it's it to rahul calamity for our country and for our continent meant that this disease didn't cilla tended bar so much discrimination so much stigma and also so much internalized shame twenty years off to medication become available a good fourteen years off to government started providing treatment so it's a great impediment continuing to our management of the epidemic. just as common people as you've alluded to in terms of the grounds that the world has made in terms of the medication people with hiv today can lead very normal and healthy lives and i just want to get your take on why do you think that it's taking so lo