do operations particularly street environmental services, urban forestry, intersect with things in infrastructure, design and construction and building, design and construction, if at all. >> thank you, supervisor. i would imagine in the conversation with the employees of public works, that it seems that way, there is not a lot of involvement. i would say on a day-to-day basis, they're probably not involved that much, but i think behind the scenes, if you will, both myself and as my deputy and directors, there is a lot of involvement. and the reason being, for example, is enron alameda and his team is developing a design of a park or a building that is going to have to later maintained by -- and the operations team run, we are involved in making sure they're having conversations with each other, so ron and suzanne and their teams aren't designing something that is not going to be something that is going to be able to be maintained on the operation side. so i can see if you were on the operation side and you're working in the yard, or in the field, you may not think there is a lot of involvement, but a lot of communicatio