>> coolio is a fan, by the way. >> a rap singer who helped me present my mother-in-law's relish this year who rhymed relish with fetish. [laughter] it was really a high for me as a broadcaster. but there's a far higher burden on it now given -- i'm glad you think newspapers are healthy. my new york times looks anorexic because it's not getting the advertising it needs. >> it looks about the way it looks when bernstein and woodward were at "the washington post" doing what they did, and "the new york times" was doing amazing work on the pentagon papers. >> you mean, the advertisers fled? >> no, i'm talking about the news hole. it's always a trick to look at the graphs, right? everybody goes, oh, you know, there were 1400 people at the l.a. times x number of years ago, but i'm not just saying, oh, we don't need to worry that now there are only 550, but i am saying that there is plenty of good work left at these newspapers, and we shouldn't just judge by whether it's -- >> oh, no. oh, no, absolutely. the reporting and the depth of it is superb, but my point was geffen the fact that -- gi