, new york, which is why the baseball hall of fame is in cooperstown. baseball started subsequently and was discovered, basically a fiction created to further this myth of kind of rural virtue, because in cities they were considered dirty and messy, and again, full of immigrants and all of that. this noble game could not possibly have really had its roots there. so they devised this history and they carried the day enough to get a hall of fame built in cooperstown. but in fact, now even the hall of fame itself has acknowledged that it is pretty much made up. >> what is thought to be the actual origins? do you know? i don't know. >> there is a wonderful guy named john for, he offend-tastic writer who is now the official star of major league baseball who wrote a book called baseball in the garden of eden. it traces the early years of how the game itself developed and in fact, it developed from many games. some of which are english games like not only cricket but rounders, and there were different versions played in different areas. a lot of it was in new

it carried the day enough to get the hall of fame built in cooperstown. even the hall of fame itself has acknowledged that it is pretty much made up. >> what is thought to be the actual origins? i do not know. paul: there is a wonderful guy named john thorne who is a fantastic writer who is the official historian of major league baseball who wrote a book called, baseball in the garden of eden. it traces how the game developed. developed from many games, some of which are english games look not only cricket but rounders. there were different versions played in different areas. a lot of it was in new england. >> there is no james naismith should -- james naismith. paul: there is no single moment like james naismith with basketball. bennett all gradually came together -- then it all gradually came together as a cup more popular. there was one set of rules played in new york and in boston. at one point as the game came more and more common and popular, and intercity games begin to be played, there was a kind of summit meeting and they actually brought togethe

they built the port and the northern sections of cooperstown which still cost the bahamians formally in dollars and was filled with chinese workers and is still in operable. the port in freeport is operating but it is something for us to be aware that the chinese do have significant interests in ito. >> thank you, mr. douglass. my time has expired and we have enjoyed -- then joined by senator kaine who if he is rea ready, with the nature of these jobs, we moved from meeting to meeting so -- >> can you hear me? >> i can indeed. i will defer to you. >> thank you, senator young and senator menon does. i thank you to the witnesses. i have been viewing and hearing you for the last 40 minutes and it is just that i was not able to be seen or heard by you which is to your benefit. it's all a plus that i can see you and assure you you can hear me. anyway, the question that both the senators and meant have asked made it clear that it's good to see you again. i think we were together in the spring of 2019 and i just really want to follow up on one of the many tough issues dealing with venezuela