. $15 billion in commercial paper at the parent copany, $80 billion of free poe, gimme repo markets wentnto seizure after lehman brothers filing and am much smaller amount of repo. $2 trillion of derivatives, 400 billion of credit derivatives concentrated very much in the real estate part of the market. had aig fp defaulted on the collateral requirements that it have on september 16th, every counterparty, 44,000 trades could have terminated. >> mr. milstein, you are not paying attention to what i was asking. you actually agreed with me. what you said is that you set all kinds of terrible things would have happened had they defaulted on the collateral posting obligations but the collateral posting obligations were they triggering issues, right? >> the collateral posting obligations were triggered b the downgrade. >> guess i know that but that is where the cash need was that we. all the witnesses, all day long have said this. >> in the security-- refused to roll over. >> we all agree. let me move to the presence. as my colleagues have expressed, there are these estimates from the governmen