i think it's very important to have lived in the time of rem, like to have lived in the time of corbusier." how do you -- i mean -- you're a legend -- >> basically, i am dutch, and that means that i'm incapable of dealing with those questions, and i seem -- >> rose: the dutch can't handle praise? >> they cannot handle praise, and they cannot perceive celebrity and, therefore, they are kind of a safe haven for that kind of speculation. >> rose: so, in part, you keep your base in rotterdam because it keeps your feet on the ground. >> which is a city that's completely immune to who we are and completely indifferent to who we are, so we live in kind of a luxurious life of indifference. >> rose: of indifference? in different environment and, therefore, we're totally free. >> rose: someone else said, i think it was an architecture critic said, you remain a first-rate provocateur. and you do. i mean, you have been that all your life. >> i don't know whether it's an issue of a star sign or something more. >> rose: a star sign? no, i don't think so. nor do you. >> i think it's not really provocati