corey lewandowski was moved out. paul manafort was moved out.yanne conway really understood president trump's love for data, and came into the white house that was unstable. now you're looking at so many different fronts, fred, and the notion of changing whoever is speaking at the podium can sort of stabilize things in the notion that jared kushner's role could be adjusted this way, or reince priebus that way, it goes against the seriousness, and the nature of the fact that there are these investigations under way by robert mueller and by congress, you know that just quick fixes are not going to solve. but just to reinforce, keep in mind, fred, again, this is a real tactic of donald trump and has been for years, the notion that somehow a shake-up will solve everything. >> and so alice, if there is a shake-up and of course i guess it depends on the positions being shaken up, does this mean a white house that is in chaos? or would that exhibit more control over trying to quiet the chaos? >> well, change-up in any white house is not unusual. and lo