so at what point did random house sell cormac mccarthy in a sense, to knopf? and if they're owned by the same company, what's the what's the purpose of changing imprints? right. so it was under binky urban's influence that mccarthy went from random house imprint of random house within the larger random house company to knopf and the two imprints have different reputation. this is not something that your casual reader is going to know much about. but within the industry, there's a little difference between every imprint, every company has a reputation about the kinds of work that they do, how they do it, who's on their list. so first, trust and rose a little different than knopf is a little different than random house or doubleday or simon schuster. they each have the things that they do well. and so random house and knox both exist within the same company because they have slightly different reputations. canada tends to be a little more literary, a little more prestigious. random house is a little more mainstream and i think urban decided that it might be worth

cormac mccarthy is cormac mccarthy is exemplary figure of the 21st century. many would consider him to be one of the very great scott one of the most celebrated novelist, american novelist of the 21st-century. across his career you can chart how book by book he plays with a different genre elevating it with his literary techniques. he's an extension of the work that mccarthy figured out in 1992. >> and, of course, random house today is pink when random house with several other imprints embedded there. when did this conglomeration of publishing houses begin? >> it began in 19, in the 1960s '60s. that was when random house went public and bought pantheon and started collecting these other imprints. in 1965, rca by rca bought random house. the continued through the late '60s et cetera and in the '70s and really has gone on and on and on into the present. but what about mccarthy to nevertheless, write the novel study did with erskine in the '60s and 70s and early 80s was that random house protect itself from some of these pressures by having a president robert be

are you saying with regard to cormac mccarthy that it is because of conglomerations that he would not survive today? >> yes and no. the thing that is remarkable about mccarthy's career is his trance formation. people recognize the two halves of his career are quite different. the first half of his career, his first 5 novels are very difficult, dense, elusive books, not market friendly, not commercial books, the first four appalachian novels and the fifth, his masterpiece, his greatest work which is a sort of western but not really in the genre, it's a very dark apocalyptic historical novel and those novels, they didn't sell at the time and they wouldn't work well now under the conglomerate era we currently live in at least not among commercial publishers, the second half of his career starting with his 1992 novel all the pretty horses is much different, he wrote novels but still have something of that unique cormac mccarthy voice but they are more friendly in the market. it's closer to a classic western, his version of a louis l'amour novel, tells a story of young cowboys, who goes do

are you saying with a larger cormac mccarthy it's because of conglomeration? we would not survive today? >> yes and no. the thing that's remarkable about mccarthy's career is his transformation. people recognize the two halves of his career are quite different. the first half of the career is the first five novels are very difficult dense elusive books. they are not market friendly their noncommercial books. the first four appalachian mountains m the fifth is is a masterpiece and greatest work it sort of a western but not really in the genre at the dark apocalyptic historical novel. those novels did not sell at the time and would not work well now under the conglomerate area we currently live in. at least not on commercial publishers a second half of his career starting with 1992 novel is much different. he wrote novels that still have something with the voice there more commercials all of the pretty horses is closer to a classic western it's their version tells the story of a young cowboy who goes down to mexico and fallsls in love. kills a man, comes home it

and ambitious and decided to take him on as a client. >> so at what point did random house sell cormac mccarthyn a sense and if they are owned by the sam' company, what is the purpose? the purpose of changing and print? >> grade. so it was under the influence that mccarthy went from random house within the larger random house company to. they had different reputations. this isn't something that your casual reader is going tobu know much about. but in the industry there is a little difference between every imprint. every company has a reputation about the kind of work they do and how they do it, who is on their list. so a little different than random house intoo simon and schuster. they both have the things that they do well and so random house they both exist within the same company because they have slightly different reputations. it tends to be a little more literary and prestigious. random house is a little more mainstream. and he decided it might be worth trying to change things up to try to make all the pretty horses fresh, to give it a fresh start to try with a new editor, with a new impr

so at what point did random house sell cormac mccarthy in a sense, to knopf? and if they're owned by the same company, what's the what's the purpose of changing imprints? right. so it was under binky urban's influence that mccarthy went from random house imprint of random house within the larger random house company to knopf and the two imprints have different reputation. this is not something that your casual reader is going to know much about. but within the industry, there's a little difference between every imprint, every company has a reputation about the kinds of work that they do, how they do it, who's on their list. so first, trust and rose a little different than knopf is a little different than random house or doubleday or simon schuster. they each have the things that they do well. and so random house and knox both exist within the same company because they have slightly different reputations. canada tends to be a little more literary, a little more prestigious. random house is a little more mainstream and i think urban decided that it might be worth

so at point did random house sell cormac mccarthy in a sense, to knopf? and if they're owned by the same, what's the what's the purpose of changing imprints. right. so it under binky urban's influence that mccarthy went from random house imprint of random house within the larger random house company to knopf and the two imprints have different reputation. this is not something that your casual reader is going to know much about. but within the industry there's a little difference. every imprint every company has reputation about the kinds of work that they do, how they do it, who's on their list. so farrar and giroux is a little different than knopf is a little different than random or doubleday or simon schuster. they each have the things that they do well and so random house and not both exist within the same company because they have slightly different reputations. canada tends to be little more literary a little more random house is a little more mainstream and i think urban decided that it might be worth trying to change things up to, try to make all