if it was to be acted on that needs to be corneille did as well. host: how frustrated did secretary mattis get? guest: one of the things i love the most about working for him is that he is a consummate professional. he is someone who does not believe -- the saying i have always used is the emotion is enemy of good judgment. kate -- came out it was, let's do the best we possibly can. from sylvester in baltimore, maryland. democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just heard basically monitoring the impeachment hearing and i hear a lot of people saying that obama did not give lethal weapons to ukraine. -- point out something to the effect that the ukrainian for suchnot prepared advanced weapons. could you elaborate on what you found out? now i have a clear understanding of why obama did not send those lethal weapons. guest: during the time when president obama was considering whether or not to provide defensive lethal aid, i was in japan. during my time with secretary mattis in the fall of 2017 we traveled to kiev. that was something tha