you went to cornell undergrad, yale law school, and then onward and upward. how does one position one's self to do that sort of thing? >> five things. one, what do you study? read history, understand economics and, you know, understand law because how we organize our society really is between economics and the market and laws, regulations and statutes. and i didn't read enough history. i was a government major. that was fine. i took too many government courses and not enough history courses. second, i would say, travel and live outside the country. there's no substitute for having the perspective of the rest of the world when you're conducting foreign policy. we don't do that enough. three, get as broad a set of experience as you can. be more of a risk-taker. i was very cautious. i think one should be more of a risk-taker and gather as much broad experience as you can. it gives you a broader perspective. four, take time to get to know your colleagues. particularly in the early jobs that you have in the national security business because you're going to get to

you went to cornel undergrad, yale law school, and onward and upward. how does one position one's self to do that sort of things. so five things. what do you study? real history, and how we understand law. i took too much government, but not enough history. travel outside the country. there's no substitute for having the perspective of the rest of the world when you conduct foreign policy. we don't do that enough. be more of a risk takers i was very cautious. takes time to get to know your checks, particularly in the early jobs. you're going to get to know a peer group they're liable to be your colleagues. you are job knew what i could do. so take time to get to know these people, and build confident with these people, so when you arrive at the to be, you're working with people that you know and trust, and have confidence in, and who know and trust, have confidence in you. and fifth is be smart, smart is great. it gets you in the door, but i believe that how far you go in your career is going to be more determined by your character. >> i think character